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German concession mid-segment

#1 User is offline   mrdct 

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Posted 2008-October-15, 04:32

Quite incredibly, after going for 1100, 1400 and 1400 on consecutive boards, the Germans abandoned their semi-final versus England mid-segment. I have never seen such poor sportsmanship in bridge. What should the penalty be?
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Posted 2008-October-15, 04:39

mrdct, on Oct 15 2008, 08:32 PM, said:

Quite incredibly, after going for 1100, 1400 and 1400 on consecutive boards, the Germans abandoned their semi-final versus England mid-segment.  I have never seen such poor sportsmanship in bridge.  What should the penalty be?

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Posted 2008-October-15, 05:09

Why is it bad sportsmanship? I would say that, if anything, it is bad sportsmanship to continue playing in a hopeless position. Even when you are a lot up, it is still tiring to continue concentrating and you might think that forcing England to play on, while Italy are having an early night, would be unfair on England.

Conceding mid-segment is unusual, but only because there's always the chance that teammates have done something spectacular.

My guess from the (lack of) swangames running scores is that Norway conceded against Italy before the last segment started. Is that also bad sportsmanship?
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Posted 2008-October-15, 05:16

FrancesHinden, on Oct 15 2008, 01:09 PM, said:

Why is it bad sportsmanship?

It's bad sportsmanship because once you decide to sit down to play, you are committed to playing the full set and not leave the room in disgust! You are obviously entitled to forfeit due to a medical condition, but that was not the case.

Please note that Norway conceded after a session. That is completely different.

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Posted 2008-October-15, 05:23

Ban them for 50 years plus a substantial fine.
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Posted 2008-October-15, 05:24

I think its has to do with lack of respect, for the sport, opps and all the people that are following the game, my suggestion is to ban the pair for some time.
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Posted 2008-October-15, 05:27

Ask the England players - surely they are far happier with the concession midway and an earlier night than having to play an additional 10 pointless boards...?
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Posted 2008-October-15, 05:28

mrdct, on Oct 15 2008, 12:32 PM, said:

Quite incredibly, after going for 1100, 1400 and 1400 on consecutive boards, the Germans abandoned their semi-final versus England mid-segment.  I have never seen such poor sportsmanship in bridge.  What should the penalty be?

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Posted 2008-October-15, 05:28

althought usually i am a german fan in most sports i think the wbf should ban germany from the next bermuda bowl (they qualified for it beeing 2nd of the european championship in Pau)
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Posted 2008-October-15, 05:30

ajm218, on Oct 15 2008, 06:27 AM, said:

Ask the England players - surely they are far happier with the concession midway  and an earlier night than having to play an additional 10 pointless boards...?

I don't know.
This kind of unusual stuff can distort their flow.
Playing 10 more boards is no problem when things are going your way.
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Posted 2008-October-15, 05:31

Does anyone know the rule on concessions? Is there one that allows the Norwegians to conceed at the end of a stanza but the Germans not to midway through a stanza?
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Posted 2008-October-15, 05:31

I take a less extreme position. It's obviously bad sportsmanship to walk away without saying anything, but (depending on the score before the 3 disasters) it might be appropropriate to stop play for a minute and call the director and respective NPCs and if all agree then concede the match.

Of course in the future let's hope sponsorship takes off so that the match has to be played through to the end for commercial reasons. :-)
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Posted 2008-October-15, 05:31

ajm218, on Oct 15 2008, 06:27 AM, said:

Ask the England players - surely they are far happier with the concession midway and an earlier night than having to play an additional 10 pointless boards...?

Italy earned the extra rest by beating Norway soundly. i think the walkout is unsporting.
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Posted 2008-October-15, 05:32

iznogood, on Oct 15 2008, 01:28 PM, said:

althought usually i am a german fan in most sports i think the wbf should ban germany from the next bermuda bowl (they qualified for it beeing 2nd of the european championship in Pau)

I disagree. They should ban the two players involved from international play for a very long time. But not do anything at all with the rest of the German team, in Beijing now or next years Bermuda Bowl.
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Posted 2008-October-15, 05:36

agree, i think the players are at fault, not the nation. banning the players may be a solution, provided there are regulations against abandonment. however, i don't think the country should be penalised - IIRC the German NPC attempted to restart play.
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Posted 2008-October-15, 05:38

Fatigue and stress are a medical condition like straining a muscle for a tennis player. I find much more "disgusting" Norway conceding cold blooded (world and european reigning champions... THEY have to set up standards). Germany played a terrific tournment and they should not be judged for 2 minutes of folly. Anyway i am sure, as someone else has already said, that both Italy and England appreciated...
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Posted 2008-October-15, 05:50

2 minutes of folly? you have obviously not watched the match
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Posted 2008-October-15, 05:52

I am talking about the reaction of quitting as "2 minutes of folly"... the 800' and the 1400's are on the score sheet, therefore are part of the game.
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Posted 2008-October-15, 05:54

Does anybody know the particular circumstances? Wasn't there a TD?
I read just the message about the anticipated end of the match while I was watching at the other table.
IMO it is very inequitable to denounce the whole team, I know all members more or less well, and at least 4-5 of them don't deserve it, I know them as sportsmen. Sure, a team is a team (or should be), but what can the others do when 1 member cannot control a sudden dropout? Ban him, punish him, perhaps also his partner because he wasn't able to have a positive influence on him, but the others didn't do anything wrong.
And, as others said before, the English team has no disadvantage, quite the contrary.
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Posted 2008-October-15, 05:54

Highly unusual, don't see why wrong.

Unless there are regulations forbidding this, don't see why they should be punished.

They don't owe explanatations to anyone but partners, captain and federation.

If DBV (after this) judges they are in the BB team, it is their choice.

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