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Posted 2008-August-10, 15:34
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Posted 2008-August-10, 15:59
2♠?!
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Posted 2008-August-10, 16:01
2♠... why would I lie?
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Posted 2008-August-10, 16:21
2♠.
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Posted 2008-August-10, 17:30
2♠.
Good hand again for an unbalanced diamond approach.
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Posted 2008-August-10, 17:59
2♠. I prefer to have one more HCP in playing strength to jump to the 3 level with this distribution or if my stiff was a void I'd jump.
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Posted 2008-August-10, 18:12
This seems very close to a 3♠ bid because of the 3 aces and stiff.
The Trump jack could be wasted (if pard has KQxxx in spades) , or very valuable if pard has KTxx in spades.
It really comes down to if pard has wasted values in clubs, and I don't know of any way to find out about that.
If you bid 2♠ pard will pass with a 9/10 point hand
KTxx QJx Kxx xxx
or this
Kxxxx KQx xx xxx
Using Deal Master pro - 100 deals - giving pard 6-10 HCP and 4-5 spades 4S is 57%.
Admitedly the double dummy analyzer might not be exact, but it seems that you want to be in games taht are even money.
The Trump jack could be wasted (if pard has KQxxx in spades) , or very valuable if pard has KTxx in spades.
It really comes down to if pard has wasted values in clubs, and I don't know of any way to find out about that.
If you bid 2♠ pard will pass with a 9/10 point hand
KTxx QJx Kxx xxx
or this
Kxxxx KQx xx xxx
Using Deal Master pro - 100 deals - giving pard 6-10 HCP and 4-5 spades 4S is 57%.
Admitedly the double dummy analyzer might not be exact, but it seems that you want to be in games taht are even money.
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Posted 2008-August-11, 02:03
2S.
You can of course argue, that the control richness
of the hand, makes it reasonable to treat the hand
as 6 loosers instead of 7.
With kind regards
Marlowe
You can of course argue, that the control richness
of the hand, makes it reasonable to treat the hand
as 6 loosers instead of 7.
With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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Posted 2008-August-11, 03:10
2 is enough. 3 should be a really good hand because people will respond on flat 4 counts with 4 card Majors these days.
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Posted 2008-August-11, 03:28
I voted 3♠ because the singleton clubs makes the hand stronger than a minimum.
I remember Walddk stated some time ago that 4-4-4-1 hands are not as strong as they seem.
How about this 4-4-4-1?
I remember Walddk stated some time ago that 4-4-4-1 hands are not as strong as they seem.
How about this 4-4-4-1?
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Posted 2008-August-11, 08:51
2♠. 4-4-4-1 hands don't play that well, and if P can't make some sort of game try over 2♠ very unlikely we've missed anything. 
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Posted 2008-August-11, 12:21
I need a little more for 3S, even when playing that 3S shows short clubs like I do with cherdano.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2008-August-11, 12:30
2♠. If partner doesn't make a try, how good can game be? If partner bids 2NT, I have an easy 4♣ call.
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Posted 2008-August-11, 12:34
Jlall, on Aug 10 2008, 05:01 PM, said:
two
I see you left it ambiguous as 2♠ or 2♥ hehe.
Please let me know about any questions or interest or bug reports about GIB.
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Echognome, on Aug 11 2008, 01:30 PM, said:
2♠. If partner doesn't make a try, how good can game be?
Close to 100 % (KQxxx QJx xx xxx).
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Posted 2008-August-11, 16:15
Ok fair enough. But certainly it's not something I'm going to cater for in my bidding. I understand my statement challenged a construction, but that was not the intent. I'm not going to bother to come up with a construction of where the 3-level isn't safe (easy enough to find hands where 2♠ goes down).
I still think that our hand is better described by 2♠ and that the chance we miss game is much, much smaller than the chance we get overboard.
On top of that, if I make any stronger call we run the risk of partner taking us seriously and overreaching to slam.
I still think that our hand is better described by 2♠ and that the chance we miss game is much, much smaller than the chance we get overboard.
On top of that, if I make any stronger call we run the risk of partner taking us seriously and overreaching to slam.
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Posted 2008-August-11, 18:55
3S
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Posted 2008-August-13, 15:22
2♠, not close to 3♠ for me. 7-loser hand, no source of tricks. Of course the aces are good, but they don't take that many tricks....
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Posted 2008-August-13, 16:15
2♠. Make it 4=3=5=1, all else the same, and it is 3♠, but 4441s generally don't pull the same weight.
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