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#1 User is offline   mgoetze 

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Posted 2011-September-01, 15:35

I was doing badly after 7 boards of this robodup so I decided to test whether GIB really believes this ridiculous explanation of 2♠. Answer: yes, he does.


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Posted 2011-September-01, 18:00

View Postmgoetze, on 2011-September-01, 15:35, said:

I was doing badly after 7 boards of this robodup so I decided to test whether GIB really believes this ridiculous explanation of 2♠. Answer: yes, he does.



What's a direct 2♠?
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Posted 2011-September-01, 18:09

Accidental double post

This post has been edited by cloa513: 2011-September-01, 18:11

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Posted 2011-September-01, 18:23

I like the theme of this post, I for one have barely ever touched on this topic, but I will to have a go.
Firstly, you must agree what an immediate 2♣ or 2♠ would be, for me, both calls would be natural showing a pretty good suit and decent values (a Queen or so better than what you actually have or a longer suit).

On the actual layout, I would expect a hand similar to what you have, though I admit it may not be the "standard" approach. IMO the suit quality is good enough and you can reasonably expect partner cards to boost you out suits. GOOD call, partner should pass.
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Posted 2011-September-01, 18:31

this type of hand has been covered lots of times in Bridge World should be a natural suit, usually six cards in length
but why GIB would bid 3NT ....? <_<
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Posted 2011-September-01, 23:36

View Postcloa513, on 2011-September-01, 18:00, said:

What's a direct 2♠?


it will be - -- twice rebiddable ♠; 12+ total points

Here the meaning of 2♠ is not spades, just large points and forcing. Likely a hand which can't double 1♣/1♠ because that will promise lengths in ♥/♦ which you may not have.
- !? -- 20+ HCP; 20- total points; 13+ relay points; forcing
That's why GIB-North picks 3NT.

Other option to show your holdings in general would be X, instead of 2♠.
X ( after pass first ) would be: Penalty double; requests ♠ lead -- 13+ HCP; rebiddable ♠; 20- total points

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Posted 2011-September-02, 01:48

View Postgeorgi, on 2011-September-01, 23:36, said:

Here the meaning of 2♠ is not spades, just large points and forcing. Likely a hand which can't double 1♣/1♠ because that will promise lengths in ♥/♦ which you may not have.


Georgi, once again, I am not asking what GIB plays, I am saying it is not good. Did you think I was asking, or are you saying that you think this is good bridge?
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Posted 2011-September-02, 03:24

View Postmgoetze, on 2011-September-02, 01:48, said:

Georgi, once again, I am not asking what GIB plays, I am saying it is not good. Did you think I was asking, or are you saying that you think this is good bridge?


I'm just offering the GIB possibilities and how the bidding was understood. In order to be separated a bug from style of bidding.

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Posted 2011-September-02, 09:29

So how does GIB handle an auction
1 ♥ x 1♠
Where one spade bidder is xx or x ♠ with large ♥ support xxxxx?

Or
2♥ pass 2♠

2 ♥ pass 2NT

Forcing bids that could be based on no HCP just fit
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