Re-Stayman
#1
Posted 2010-September-02, 09:35
1N - 2♣
2♦ - 3♣
and she referred to it as "Re-Stayman". I was embarrassed to admit that I had never heard of it before.
Apparently 3♣ is an artificial inquiry about opener's minor suit length, although I am unsure as to the responses.
Does anyone play it? Is it worth giving up a natural 3♣? How would you now play 1N - 2♣ - 2♦ - 3♦?
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#2
Posted 2010-September-02, 09:39
3D= (23)44
3H= 5+ clubs
3S= 5+ diamonds
3NT= 33(34)
1NT-2C-2D-3D then asks for a 3 card major (I think it's called "Extended Stayman").
#3
Posted 2010-September-02, 09:41
#4
Posted 2010-September-02, 09:53
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#5
Posted 2010-September-02, 10:02
1N - 2♣
2♦ - 3♣
3♦ = Have a 5 card minor. 3♥ relay for asking which
3♥ = 2344 shape.
3♠ = 3244 shape.
3NT = 33(43) shape.
1N - 2♣
2♥ - 3♣
3♦ = Have a 4 card minor. 3♥ relay
3♥ = 5 hearts
3♠ = 4-4 majors
3N = 3433 shape.
1N - 2♣
2♠ - 3♣
3♦ = 4 clubs
3♥ = 4 diamonds
3♠ = 5 spades
3N = 4333 shape.
Most people who play this treatment also play
1N - 2♣ - 2♦ - 3♦ = 5-5 majors, invite
1N - 2♣ - 2♥ - 3♦ = BAL slam try in hearts.
#6
Posted 2010-September-02, 10:07
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
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#7
Posted 2010-September-02, 10:18
Mohitz showed a system but the trouble is that with "ordinary strength" responder, opponents will be given a roadmap both as to exact shape. Defenders have an easy time defending.
#8
Posted 2010-September-02, 10:25
#9
Posted 2010-September-02, 12:21
After a 5♣ response, 5♦ asked "Are you sure?" Maybe 1 and a dog?
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#10
Posted 2010-September-03, 01:56
#11
Posted 2010-September-03, 02:01
MickyB, on Sep 2 2010, 04:41 PM, said:
Didn't you discard that principle when you agreed to play Stayman?
#12
Posted 2010-September-03, 02:37
1NT - 2♣
2♦ - ???
3♣ = artificial ask
3♦ = ask about 3 card majors (like smolen, but you can stop in 3NT having 2-2 majors)
3♥/3♠ = shortness
after:
1NT - 2♣
2♦ - 3♣
You bid:
3♦ = 5 card minor (then 3♥ ask and then 3♠/3NT = 5♣/♦)
3♥ = 2-3-4-4
3♠ = 3-2-4-4
3NT = any 4-3-3-3
Probably not optimal or anything but simple and sometimes useful.
EDIT:
Just read the replies and I see that Mohitz describes the same system (at least after 2♦). We play that 3♦ is just 5-4+ majors and GF (thi is superior to smolen because a)you can show major shortness you are able to stop in 3NT opposite 2-2-(4-5))
Sorry for repeating.
#13
Posted 2010-September-03, 04:53
#14
Posted 2010-September-03, 06:58
gnasher, on Sep 3 2010, 08:01 AM, said:
MickyB, on Sep 2 2010, 04:41 PM, said:
Didn't you discard that principle when you agreed to play Stayman?
Sorry, careless post before.
The principle should probably be "unbalanced hands should describe themselves to balanced hands in game-forcing auctions". I play Stayman because of the hands where responder has both majors and just wants to play game in a 4-4/5-4 fit if there is one and in a part-score/invite if there is not.
When an unbalanced hand describes itself to a balanced hand, you can often place the contract once you know shape and strength. When the opposite occurs, honour concentration becomes much more significant, as the unbalanced hand needs to know what honours are opposite its shortage. Therefore, it feels wrong to just play 3♣ as a shape ask.
#15
Posted 2010-September-03, 08:48
#16
Posted 2010-September-03, 14:18
hanp, on Sep 3 2010, 03:48 PM, said:
I wasn't being wholly serious, but there was a point in there somewhere. I'm thinking of adding Stayman to my list of bad conventions that everyone seems to play.
Look at this sequence (1NT-2♣;2♦-3♣). It may be true that 3♣ is more useful as a natural bid, but it's not that useful, because it's hard for opener to judge what to do without knowing which major responder has.
#17
Posted 2010-September-03, 14:57
Might it be possible to find out what opener's major is below 3NT?
#18
Posted 2010-September-03, 22:50
#19
Posted 2010-September-04, 03:22
MickyB, on Sep 4 2010, 05:50 AM, said:
I hadn't really got that far - it seemed easier just to snipe at everyone's first convention.
#20
Posted 2010-September-04, 03:23
hanp, on Sep 3 2010, 09:57 PM, said:
Might it be possible to find out what opener's major is below 3NT?
True, you could bid 3♦ to ask what the major is. Does anyone do that?