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Self-inflcted wound One of worse I have seen

Poll: How many tricks do you think EW take in 5Clubs doubled? (37 member(s) have cast votes)

How many tricks do you think EW take in 5Clubs doubled?

  1. None (3 votes [8.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.11%

  2. One (11 votes [29.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.73%

  3. Two (16 votes [43.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.24%

  4. Three (4 votes [10.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.81%

  5. Four (2 votes [5.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.41%

  6. Five (1 votes [2.70%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.70%

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Posted 2010-October-01, 13:17

2N P 3C P
3D X 3N P
P 4D X  5C
X all pass

Opening lead K

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Posted 2010-October-01, 13:52

None, you're funny :D

I voted one. Could happen.
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Posted 2010-October-01, 14:07

I voted 2, the AJ, but I think you are going to get a third club trick with the 7 the way things play out.

Not that that should be any consolation.
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Posted 2010-October-01, 14:33

On perfect defense, declarer shouldn't score J. N-S can make slam in clubs. :D
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-01, 15:11

I'm having trouble visualizing declarer only taking 1 trick. Care to elaborate?

In particular, to avoid declarer winning the A, south needs to ruff the first diamond lead. So south can only fire two clubs through declarer, forcing out the A and killing the J. But North is going to get endplayed and have to lead away from his T64 into declarer's 752, giving declarer a second trick.

Unless I'm missing something.
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Posted 2010-October-01, 16:10

W Kovacs, on Oct 1 2010, 04:11 PM, said:

I'm having trouble visualizing declarer only taking 1 trick.  Care to elaborate?

In particular, to avoid declarer winning the A, south needs to ruff the first diamond lead.  So south can only fire two clubs through declarer, forcing out the A and killing the J.  But North is going to get endplayed and have to lead away from his T64 into declarer's 752, giving declarer a second trick. 

Unless I'm missing something.

Not too easy, but with right timing North can reduce trumps to avoid the endplay.

K, A, to K, J forces Q, ruffed by North. Then Q, South overtakes with A, cash 2 more hearts, play last heart, ruffed by declarer and over-ruffed by North. At this point North has 3 trumps and two diamond left, declarer has 4 trumps and a diamond remaining, South has the original 3 trumps. Only then North plays diamond, ruffed by South. Now spade exit, ruffed, over-ruffed, then north play the last diamond, South ruffing with Q, declarer's J AND 7 go to bed.
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-01, 17:06

bucky, on Oct 1 2010, 10:10 PM, said:

W Kovacs, on Oct 1 2010, 04:11 PM, said:

I'm having trouble visualizing declarer only taking 1 trick.  Care to elaborate?

In particular, to avoid declarer winning the A, south needs to ruff the first diamond lead.  So south can only fire two clubs through declarer, forcing out the A and killing the J.  But North is going to get endplayed and have to lead away from his T64 into declarer's 752, giving declarer a second trick. 

Unless I'm missing something.

Not too easy, but with right timing North can reduce trumps to avoid the endplay.

K, A, to K, J forces Q, ruffed by North. Then Q, South overtakes with A, cash 2 more hearts, play last heart, ruffed by declarer and over-ruffed by North. At this point North has 3 trumps and two diamond left, declarer has 4 trumps and a diamond remaining, South has the original 3 trumps. Only then North plays diamond, ruffed by South. Now spade exit, ruffed, over-ruffed, then north play the last diamond, South ruffing with Q, declarer's J AND 7 go to bed.

6th heart won't be ruffed but discard a diamond, you are out of timing now.
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Posted 2010-October-01, 20:56

Fluffy, on Oct 1 2010, 06:06 PM, said:

6th heart won't be ruffed but discard a diamond, you are out of timing now.

If declarer pitches a diamond on 6th H, north also pitches. Then declarer has only trumps left. On the next trick, virtually any card from South hand would work, as long as north returns a diamond for south to ruff with Q for uppercut. The trump spot cards 8 and 9 in south hand are useful after all!
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-02, 04:42

mmm, right
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Posted 2010-October-02, 05:49

Probably a stupid question, but what happens if on the 6th heart, West ruffs with the ace and plays a small trump?
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Posted 2010-October-02, 08:37

manudude03, on Oct 2 2010, 11:49 AM, said:

Probably a stupid question, but what happens if on the 6th heart, West ruffs with the ace and plays a small trump?

underruff is needed maybe
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Posted 2010-October-02, 10:16

Pennsylvania Zero two thousand

and a stupid question! Why is 0 even an option?
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Posted 2010-October-02, 10:21

It's a RL hand, LHO is miffed and concedes or revokes? I have seen someone claim 0 tricks on BBO despite having the ace of trumps.
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Posted 2010-October-02, 11:43

manudude03, on Oct 2 2010, 11:21 AM, said:

It's a RL hand, LHO is miffed and concedes or revokes? I have seen someone claim 0 tricks on BBO despite having the ace of trumps.

I had a partner on BBO who conceded down 11 in six notrump (it was cold) when a defender claimed. Partner (a good friend) assumed without looking closely that his opponent was conceding all of the tricks.
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