[1eyedjack]

Just now I was in on the web client and although most of the functionality appeared ot be present it would not download any player profiles. Just said "searching" before timing out.

[1eyedjack]

How impractical would it be for the server to keep a record of the tables on display to each logged-in user at any instant?

The reason that I ask is that for me a significant shortcoming of the web version contrasted with windows is the failure (in the web version) automatically and instantly, without prompting, to refresh the tables list when there is a change. If the server has on record the tables that I have on view then only sends to me refresh when MY view would change, this might cut down on the net traffic that I suspect may be the principal disinstentive to sending out global refreshes to all logged in users in the manner that currently happens with Win-based users.

[1eyedjack]

Very small point, but I would prefer it if the screen refreshed dynamically as you drag the scroll bar. Under the current config the screen is frozen during the process of dragging and then refreshes when you release the scroll bar. Trouble with that method is that you have to guess whether you have scrolled to the right point.

This proposal probably involves a bit more net traffic, as it would require the client to download the entire table list or whatever, including those not currently on display, when in the current method it presumably re-downloads the list in context of the position of the scroll bar.

As an end user I know which way I would prefer it, is all.

[1eyedjack]

If you ask GIB to analyse a hand within the web browser the number of overtricks or undertricks assigned to each card almost completely obscures the card lying under that number:

http://www.keepandsh...p?u=336410&fv=y

Increasing the window size doesn't help.

I can of course deduce the cards from the other three visible hands, but even so ...

[1eyedjack]

I find the current procedure for saving hands locally when using the web client very frustrating. Are there any plans to make this easier? I appreciate that Flash prevents you doing this in real time, but there is a roundabout way of doing it in arrears, by going to MyHands and clicking on the Lin version. I guess I am asking if we can cut out the "roundabout". For example, when in the web version, clicking on Options when viewing a file provides a handviewer link, but this link only takes you to a "movie" version, it does not take you to the "Lin" version. Only the latter option gives you the option to save it locally. This means that if you want to save a hand locally you have to manually navigate to the approprate MyHands page, and it would be nice to have that as a direct link from the web client.

Perhaps another desirable option, if feasible, would be within the Export options to include "send Lin by email to [prompt for email address]" Is that barred by Flash?

Ideally I would like to be able to instruct the server to save locally (by email if necessary) a single lin file that contains an entire session of play. Currently I do not think that this feature is available even by saving files to the server. Yes you can get there by MyHands, but it involves a lot of mouseclicking.

[fred]

1eyedjack, on Dec 26 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

How impractical would it be for the server to keep a record of the tables on display to each logged-in user at any instant?

Unfortunately it would not be practical at all.

We are working on some alternatives that may make this unnecessary.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[fred]

1eyedjack, on Dec 26 2009, 11:28 AM, said:

Very small point, but I would prefer it if the screen refreshed dynamically as you drag the scroll bar. Under the current config the screen is frozen during the process of dragging and then refreshes when you release the scroll bar. Trouble with that method is that you have to guess whether you have scrolled to the right point.

This proposal probably involves a bit more net traffic, as it would require the client to download the entire table list or whatever, including those not currently on display, when in the current method it presumably re-downloads the list in context of the position of the scroll bar.

As an end user I know which way I would prefer it, is all.

This is actually not about network traffic at all. When you request a list of tables, the entire list is loaded before any of the list is displayed.

The reason that we have disabled "live-scrolling" of some lists is because of performance issues relating to drawing the actual lists on the screen (especially with large lists on slow PCs). Unfortuantely Flash is weak in this area, but Adobe is aware of this problem and hopefully they will address it at some point.

As soon as it is realistically possible to do something about this I will make it so.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[fred]

1eyedjack, on Dec 26 2009, 12:13 PM, said:

I find the current procedure for saving hands locally when using the web client very frustrating. Are there any plans to make this easier? I appreciate that Flash prevents you doing this in real time, but there is a roundabout way of doing it in arrears, by going to MyHands and clicking on the Lin version. I guess I am asking if we can cut out the "roundabout". For example, when in the web version, clicking on Options when viewing a file provides a handviewer link, but this link only takes you to a "movie" version, it does not take you to the "Lin" version. Only the latter option gives you the option to save it locally. This means that if you want to save a hand locally you have to manually navigate to the approprate MyHands page, and it would be nice to have that as a direct link from the web client.

Perhaps another desirable option, if feasible, would be within the Export options to include "send Lin by email to [prompt for email address]" Is that barred by Flash?

Ideally I would like to be able to instruct the server to save locally (by email if necessary) a single lin file that contains an entire session of play. Currently I do not think that this feature is available even by saving files to the server. Yes you can get there by MyHands, but it involves a lot of mouseclicking.

Is the source of your frustration the user interface that allows you to save hands in the database or is it all about your inability to get a local copy of a .lin file directly through the web-client? If this is about the user interface, let me know what frustrates you as I may be able to improve it.

Although we don't have any definite plans to do any of these things, we have discussed concepts like:

- Allowing users to upload existing .lin files to their own "hand database" in the web-client (from where they can later upload those hands to teaching tables, tournaments, or team matches).

- Providing a service whereby users can sign up to have their results automatically e-mails to them. It would be trivial to include links for downloading .lin files in such e-mails.

Probably both of these things will happen - it is just a question of when.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[fred]

barmar, on Dec 23 2009, 05:08 PM, said:

Do you think you could have the "About BBO" box display the version number of the client? This is where most applications display their version number.

In principle, of course we could do that.

But why do you think a user would care about the version number of the client they are using? We arrange so that everyone automatically gets the latest version.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[fred]

A2003, on Dec 23 2009, 03:36 PM, said:

Keyboard option is preferable than moving the mouse to a specific location to go to "Back" and click.
Takes more time and mouse is quicker, jumping and annoying.
"Esc" Keyboard should do "Back" function.

Unfortunately keyboard support is really awkward for web-applications in general. This is mostly because of interaction with the browser. The browser is really in control of the keyboard and different browsers have different rules for what they will do with various keystrokes.

That is why, at this point in time at least, we can't realistically add "hotkey" support to the web-client. If and when this state of affairs changes, we will certainly do something about it.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[1eyedjack]

fred, on Dec 26 2009, 05:04 PM, said:

barmar, on Dec 23 2009, 05:08 PM, said:

Do you think you could have the "About BBO" box display the version number of the client? This is where most applications display their version number.

In principle, of course we could do that.

But why do you think a user would care about the version number of the client they are using? We arrange so that everyone automatically gets the latest version.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

If a user does not habitually trawl the BBO forums, but the version number is displayed in the title bar, then seeing the version number incrementally rise from one session to the next might prompt the player to investigate what changes have been made and raise awareness of the software's potential - especially if there is a web page that documents history of changes by version number.

[barmar]

fred, on Dec 26 2009, 11:04 AM, said:

barmar, on Dec 23 2009, 05:08 PM, said:

Do you think you could have the "About BBO" box display the version number of the client? This is where most applications display their version number.

In principle, of course we could do that.

But why do you think a user would care about the version number of the client they are using? We arrange so that everyone automatically gets the latest version.

When a new version comes out, the announcement says you should get it automatically, which sounds like you might not. An about-box would allow users to confirm that it's updated properly.

[geppe]

I was trying to create a team match as usually I make with the windows client, but i can't find that option in the web client - is it not yet implemented? or I am missing something?

I wish also know how can I be allowed to propose pairs tournaments for specific groups of persons.

Thank you very much for your work!

geppe

[paulg]

geppe, on Jan 1 2010, 02:40 PM, said:

I was trying to create a team match as usually I make with the windows client, but i can't find that option in the web client - is it not yet implemented? or I am missing something?

From the home page:

Show all tables -> Team Matches -> Start a new Team Match

[geppe]

many thanks for your answer!

[paulg]

geppe, on Jan 1 2010, 02:40 PM, said:

I wish also know how can I be allowed to propose pairs tournaments for specific groups of persons.

This is more difficult with the web client as it cannot access lists on your computer.

If you have TD privileges, then you can create a tournament by clicking on the Director tab on the very right of the home page (alongside Who's Online and My Results).

The Entries tab of the Create Tournament screen provides the capability to restrict tournament entry.

Hope this helps,

Paul

[eleanorsf]

The Club chat button is only available intermittently. Actually have seen it only once.

Please make an announcement of the new software releases in the BBO Today section. very helpful to those who don't read Forum.

Thanks for the improvements Fred, they are much appreciated.

[fred]

eleanorsf, on Jan 2 2010, 09:34 PM, said:

The Club chat button is only available intermittently. Actually have seen it only once.

The current version has a bug in this area. It will be fixed in the next version.

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Please make an announcement of the new software releases in the BBO Today section. very helpful to those who don't read Forum.

Good idea - thanks. I will see what I can do.

Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com

[Ant590]

When playing in the MBC it seems the scores for the previous boards (on the "My Results" section on the right side of the screen) are very reluctant to refresh. I have to click on a board and then other tables for the score to update.

Is it possible to automatically refresh the scores per board more frequently, as is done with the current score box on the bottom left of the playing area?

[geppe]

cardsharp, on Jan 2 2010, 12:30 PM, said:

If you have TD privileges, then you can create a tournament [...]

Thanks Paul!
thanks to your answer, now I can clarify my question: how can I have TD privileges? which are the conditions?
(maybe I have to post this question in another forum... sorry if misplaced)

geppe