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Play 3NT I think I misplayed this..learning

#1 User is online   kgr 

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Posted 2009-May-21, 08:28

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1♣-(2♣!)-DBL-(2♦!!)
P-(P)-DBL-(P)
3♣-(p)-3NT-All Pass
 
2♣=Majors, 4-4 or better and strength like an overcall
DBL=Not really discussed with new partner. You hoped that it would suggest a penalty DBL in the next round.
2♦=prefer Diamonds
 
1. LHO leads ♠8 which runs to your ♠J,
2. You now play ♦J which holds
3. and a ♦ to ♦A in dummy
4. Small ♠ from dummy taken by RHO with the ♠K. LHO started with 2 card ♠
5. RHO plays ♣7 for your ♣8 and small ♣ by LHO. Suppose you take ♣9 in dummy.
Do you agree with play up to here and how to continue from here?
All players at the table are OK, but no experts.
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This post has been edited by kgr: 2009-May-21, 08:47

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Posted 2009-May-21, 08:43

How did I get from step 2 to step 3? I'm not in dummy after step 2.
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Posted 2009-May-21, 08:47

jonottawa, on May 21 2009, 04:43 PM, said:

How did I get from step 2 to step 3? I'm not in dummy after step 2.

Thank you, corrected the post
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Posted 2009-May-21, 09:48

I'll play LHO for ♣K and RHO for ♥K. LHO is presumably 2254 or 2155 - I may have to guess which.

I play another spade. RHO will win and play another one, bringing me down to four hearts and two diamonds opposite three hearts and three clubs.

If LHO now has only one heart, I play ♥A, ♦K, diamond to endplay him.

If LHO has two hearts, two diamonds and two clubs left, I duck a heart, win the continuation, and endplay him as above.

If LHO has two hearts, three diamonds and one club left, I try to duck a heart to East.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-May-21, 14:46

It's a messy hand and I'm not sure what's right but I'd have run the ♣8 at trick 2. While W surely has the ♦ length you can only take 4 ♦ tricks if the ♦Q is with shortness and going after ♦ feels like I'm attacking my own communications.

I'd also want to know more about their system. Does 2♣ deny a hand that would make a normal takeout double? Does it promise (or strongly suggest) 5-4 or better?
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Posted 2009-May-21, 15:37

jonottawa, on May 21 2009, 10:46 PM, said:

Does 2♣ deny a hand that would make a normal takeout double?

Yes, they would DBL with a normal take-out DBL

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Does it promise (or strongly suggest) 5-4 or better?

No, they will bid all reasonable 4-4 major hands.
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Posted 2009-May-22, 05:26

gnasher, on May 21 2009, 05:48 PM, said:

I'll play LHO for ♣K and RHO for ♥K. LHO is presumably 2254 or 2155 - I may have to guess which.

I play another spade. RHO will win and play another one, bringing me down to four hearts and two diamonds opposite three hearts and three clubs.

If LHO now has only one heart, I play ♥A, ♦K, diamond to endplay him.

If LHO has two hearts, two diamonds and two clubs left, I duck a heart, win the continuation, and endplay him as above.

If LHO has two hearts, three diamonds and one club left, I try to duck a heart to East.

LHO was 2254.
I errored by cashing ♣A before playing another ♠.
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Posted 2009-May-22, 05:30

kgr, on May 22 2009, 12:26 PM, said:

LHO was 2254.
I errored by cashing ♣A before playing another ♠.

He could probably still defeat you by throwing clubs.

Have you noticed what a good play it was for RHO to switch to clubs?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2009-May-23, 03:45

gnasher, on May 22 2009, 01:30 PM, said:

Have you noticed what a good play it was for RHO to switch to clubs?

Maybe he had better played another ♠ before playing the ♣.
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Posted 2009-May-24, 23:43

gnasher, on May 21 2009, 10:48 AM, said:

I'll play LHO for ♣K and RHO for ♥K.  LHO is presumably 2254 or 2155 - I may have to guess which.

I play another spade.  RHO will win and play another one, bringing me down to four hearts and two diamonds opposite three hearts and three clubs.

If LHO now has only one heart, I play ♥A, ♦K, diamond to endplay him.

If LHO has two hearts, two diamonds and two clubs left, I duck a heart, win the continuation, and endplay him as above.

Cannot West profitably refuse to win the last ♦?

If RHO is 4522 then ♣A, ♠ works. If RHO is 4423 I don't see any hope but ♥KJ109.
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Posted 2009-May-25, 02:00

ceeb, on May 25 2009, 06:43 AM, said:

Cannot West profitably refuse to win the last ♦?

That's true.

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If RHO is 4522 then ♣A, ♠ works.

How?
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Posted 2009-May-25, 08:39

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If RHO is 4522 then ♣A, ♠ works.

How?

To be honest I had in mind your same line -- ♥A then ♦'s. That's tired because LHO can discard clubs on the spades and have enough cashing tricks to beat me.

But after winning the 4th round of ♠ the remaining cards are



so I'll try a low ♥.
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Posted 2009-May-25, 08:59

So the line kgr played at the table was correct after all.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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