raise partner always key to better bridge
#1
Posted 2008-July-03, 01:46
Q94
KQT52
AJ7
favorable matchpoints
1♦-p-1♥-p
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We have a reasonable opening and responding style. Raise or not?
George Carlin
#3
Posted 2008-July-03, 02:01
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
#4
Posted 2008-July-03, 04:27
I know that it is en vogue in the fora to play 4-3 fits. But I think this balanced hands takes the idea of raising with 3 card support way too far.
Roland
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#5
Posted 2008-July-03, 05:09
Don't really see the advantages of 2♥ in a balanced hand
#6
Posted 2008-July-03, 05:27
Don't see the advantages of 1NT without a S stopper.
#7
Posted 2008-July-03, 05:39
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Don't see the advantages of 1NT without a S stopper.
1NT, no alternatives.
When did 1NT start to show a ♠ stopper in this auction? If you're so afraid of that, why not 2♦?
2♥ shows a ♥ fit, you don't have one.
If you agree that you may raise on 3 cards, please only do so with a singleton.
#8
Posted 2008-July-03, 05:42
The_Hog, on Jul 3 2008, 08:27 PM, said:
Don't see the advantages of 1NT without a S stopper.
So you open 1 NT with Kxx, Axxx,Axx,Axx but not with xxx,AKxx,Axx,Axx?
Interesting view.
I guess in a weak NT context with the given hand you had answered 2 Heart after pds 2 Club Stayman bid with Jx, Qxx,KQTxx,AJx because of the weakness in spades?
And you surely rebid your diamonds instead of 1 NT with xxx, QJ, KQTxx,AJx?
Well, we had been there before. For some people 4 card raise is mandatory, some nearly always raise with 3 cards and some need reasons, like side shortages to raise with three.
It is like beliving in one religion or another - we will never confess anyone from the other side. But we keep on trying...
When I followed the European championship I did not notice that many top players use 3 card raises that frequently. But maybe I just watched the wrong tables...
Roland
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#9
Posted 2008-July-03, 05:47
I have played in partnerships where we rebid 1NT, and others where we rebid 2♥. Either way, the world does not come to an end.
gwnn, on Jul 3 2008, 02:46 AM, said:
Good ... I think?
#10
Posted 2008-July-03, 05:55
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QJx
KQ10xx
AJx
I would prefer 2♥.
Roland
#11
Posted 2008-July-03, 05:57
#12
Posted 2008-July-03, 06:53
655321, on Jul 3 2008, 07:47 AM, said:
That's not a useful answer if you're trying to decide WHAT to agree to.
#13
Posted 2008-July-03, 07:14
wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
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#14
Posted 2008-July-03, 07:25
barmar, on Jul 3 2008, 07:53 AM, said:
655321, on Jul 3 2008, 07:47 AM, said:
That's not a useful answer if you're trying to decide WHAT to agree to.
Related factors that may influence your partnership's decision:
If you insist on 4 card support for the raise, then 1N should seldom be the rebid with a singleton in responder's suit.
Conversely, if you would like to often rebid 1N with a singleton in responder's suit then at least some opening hands with 3 card support need to raise.
How satisfied are you with your checkback methods after 1m 1M; 1N? How about your game tries after 1m 1M; 2M (see http://www.freewebs.com/juniorsbbo/majorra...erminoropen.htm )? It takes a little more compication to handle the 3 card raises and singleton 1N rebids than the more conservative options.
#15
Posted 2008-July-03, 08:04
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#16
Posted 2008-July-03, 08:05
BillHiggin, on Jul 3 2008, 09:25 AM, said:
barmar, on Jul 3 2008, 07:53 AM, said:
655321, on Jul 3 2008, 07:47 AM, said:
That's not a useful answer if you're trying to decide WHAT to agree to.
Related factors that may influence your partnership's decision:
If you insist on 4 card support for the raise, then 1N should seldom be the rebid with a singleton in responder's suit.
Conversely, if you would like to often rebid 1N with a singleton in responder's suit then at least some opening hands with 3 card support need to raise.
How satisfied are you with your checkback methods after 1m 1M; 1N? How about your game tries after 1m 1M; 2M (see http://www.freewebs.com/juniorsbbo/majorra...erminoropen.htm )? It takes a little more compication to handle the 3 card raises and singleton 1N rebids than the more conservative options.
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wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:
rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:
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#17
Posted 2008-July-03, 08:54
After a single raise of responder's major by opener, I play the following:
2NT asks length of major suit support and strength of hand. The responses:
3♣ - 3 card support, minimum opening.
3♦ - 3 card support, above-minimum opening.
3♥ - 4 card support, minimum opening.
3♠ - 4 card support, above-minimum opening.
Responder can usually place the contract at this point.
[There is something to be said for using 2♠ as the asking bid after 1m-1♥-2♥, but I have not gone to that step]
#18
Posted 2008-July-03, 08:58
ArtK78, on Jul 3 2008, 06:54 AM, said:
After a single raise of responder's major by opener, I play the following:
2NT asks length of major suit support and strength of hand. The responses:
3♣ - 3 card support, minimum opening.
3♦ - 3 card support, above-minimum opening.
3♥ - 4 card support, minimum opening.
3♠ - 4 card support, above-minimum opening.
Responder can usually place the contract at this point.
[There is something to be said for using 2♠ as the asking bid after 1m-1♥-2♥, but I have not gone to that step]
You can extend this as well:
3N = Max 4 card raise but 4333
4 of our minor = picture jump, no outside s/v or AK and a 4-5
4 of other minor = splinter
4♥ = splinter in other major
Another useful toy after the 3♣ / 3♦ response is to play 3oM as asking for shortness.
BTW on the OP, I would raise to 2♥. While the hand is a little soft, for me to be swayed to 1N, I would like a real doubleton honor, not JT.
#19
Posted 2008-July-03, 09:33
No-one has yet bid spades. So: either opp had the chance to do so and didn't. Thus the odds of the opps running 5+ spades are less than I suspect most 2♥ bidders beleive.
The correct response to our 1♦, with 4=4 in the majors, is 1♥, so partner's bid of 1♥ does not deny spades.. this also reduces the risk of the spade suit running.
The silence of the opps increases the chance that partner has invitational or better values, and most good pairs have execellent rebid structures over 1N rebids. While most good pairs have decent methods over the single raise, those methods are usually (in my experience, always) not quite as good as the method over 1N, and this makes sense because of space constraints and the definition inherent in the 1N rebid, which is tighter than the definition of the single raise when the single raise can be on a 3 card even with a balanced hand.
The raise is usually the bid that gets us too high when we don't quite have the values. Responder will get us to the 3-level on a 4-3 when we raise on hands on which he might even pass 1N or, at worst, get us to the 2-level, in 2N, with a balanced hand.
I don't have any problem raising on Hxx when I have a side singleton. But balanced hands, imo, rebid notrump without 4 card support.
Having said all of that, this is not something that I think is going to have a huge impact on one's game... I think the raise is inferior, but not by very much.
#20
Posted 2008-July-03, 18:32
1D------1S-------1NT--------??? here is partner is frequently raising to 2S instead of rebidding (1Nt with 3S and ruffing power) then if you have a 5S card suit M the % bid is often to pass 1Nt instead of rebidding 2S.
Those who think that rebidding 1Nt without a spades stopper is the same thing then opening 1Nt without a spade stopper are clueless.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."