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Posted 2008-July-03, 21:41
I play in all my partnerships that judgement is allowed with 3, and I would definitely judge this to be a 1N rebid. This hand is not particularly suit oriented.
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Posted 2008-July-03, 22:04
Definitely 1NT, and I raise with 3 often. Jx is very good for notrump, not bad. It rightsides opposite the great majority of holdings partner has in the suit.
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Posted 2008-July-04, 06:31
gwnn, on Jul 3 2008, 02:46 AM, said:
favorable matchpoints ♠ J3♥ Q94 ♦ KQT52 ♣ AJ7
1♦-p-1♥-p
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We have a reasonable opening and responding style. Raise or not?
1♦-p-1♥-p
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We have a reasonable opening and responding style. Raise or not?
IMO 2♥ = 10, 1N = 6, 2♦ = 5.
I would bid the same way if I'd opened on 11-12 HCP too.
A question for Frances, if she happens to read this. In another thread, Frances implies that, playing a weak notrump, she would also raise to 2♥ with say
♠ Ax ♥ Axxx ♦ xxxxx ♣ AK, which seems about 3 tricks better, How does Frances cope with so wide a range?
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Posted 2008-July-04, 07:25
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I play in all my partnerships that judgement is allowed with 3, and I would definitely judge this to be a 1N rebid. This hand is not particularly suit oriented.
Well there's still some more to it than that. For me also judgement is allowed, but balanced hands are balanced hands. If partner raises on 3 he must have a reason, which should be honor placement and an unbalanced hand (otherwise 1N).
I mean I would rebid 2♣ on:
J
T94
KQT52
AQJ7
but 2♥ on:
J
QT9
KQT52
AJ73
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Posted 2008-July-04, 11:05
Gerben42, on Jul 4 2008, 08:25 AM, said:
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I play in all my partnerships that judgement is allowed with 3, and I would definitely judge this to be a 1N rebid. This hand is not particularly suit oriented.
Well there's still some more to it than that. For me also judgement is allowed, but balanced hands are balanced hands. If partner raises on 3 he must have a reason, which should be honor placement and an unbalanced hand (otherwise 1N).
I mean I would rebid 2♣ on:
J
T94
KQT52
AQJ7
but 2♥ on:
J
QT9
KQT52
AJ73
I have a step in my followups for 3 balanced, so obviously for me raising with 3 in a balanced hand is ok. For instance xx AKx AJTxx xxx is a clear raise for me (in my judgement) and not prohibited by system.
BTW Josh, by forum standards we do not raise that often with 3. That was so 2 years ago
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Posted 2008-July-04, 11:47
A consideration into whether or not your system allows a 3-card major suit raise should be the follow-up bidding and what you hope to accomplish. In my thinking there are two distinct goals based on form of scoring: 1, accurate game/slam bidding and 2, accurate partscore bidding.
If the system only calls for a 4-card support raise, the issue of fit is irrelevant and subsequent bids can be defined as game tries, slam tries, cue bids, etc., i.e., stronger hand types.
However, if the raise can be 3-card, then subequent bidding has to establish the fit along with the strength, which limits the amount of information available for accurate slam and game bidding.
The disadvantage of 4-card raise is that the 1NT rebid is forced on all balanced hand types.
If the system only calls for a 4-card support raise, the issue of fit is irrelevant and subsequent bids can be defined as game tries, slam tries, cue bids, etc., i.e., stronger hand types.
However, if the raise can be 3-card, then subequent bidding has to establish the fit along with the strength, which limits the amount of information available for accurate slam and game bidding.
The disadvantage of 4-card raise is that the 1NT rebid is forced on all balanced hand types.
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Posted 2008-July-04, 23:46
Jlall, on Jul 4 2008, 12:05 PM, said:
BTW Josh, by forum standards we do not raise that often with 3. That was so 2 years ago
I'm starting to realize that. Raising would barley have crossed my mind with this...
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Posted 2008-July-05, 02:49
For me 2H is automatic, but then I agree this in advance.