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The main point is that this layout is almost impossible. Even if possible, it is to rare to concern yourself with when deciding whether to execute some sort of throw-in or to just place the club 10.
Plus, when Declarer does have this layout, he would be expected to go with the line I suggested. That gives RHO an expectation that he can win the second heart to exit a top diamond.
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Posted 2008-April-27, 15:34
Winstonm, on Apr 27 2008, 10:22 PM, said:
The line of play I am considering is spade ducked and returned, then heart to King and theb the 10 won by East, who can only exit now with the diamond Q. Declarer wins and leads a low club to the 9 (or Q if West plays the Jack).
In that line, East wins ♣9 with 10 and exits with his remaining high diamond. Declarer has only eight tricks.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-April-27, 15:39
gnasher, on Apr 27 2008, 04:34 PM, said:
Winstonm, on Apr 27 2008, 10:22 PM, said:
The line of play I am considering is spade ducked and returned, then heart to King and theb the 10 won by East, who can only exit now with the diamond Q. Declarer wins and leads a low club to the 9 (or Q if West plays the Jack).
In that line, East wins ♣9 with 10 and exits with his remaining high diamond. Declarer has only eight tricks.
If so, I count 4 diamond tricks, 2 spades, 2 hearts, and 1 club for 9 tricks, while opps win 1 spade, 2 clubs, and 1 heart.
Am I missing something here?
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Posted 2008-April-27, 15:45
kenrexford, on Apr 27 2008, 10:29 PM, said:
The main point is that this layout is almost impossible. Even if possible, it is to rare to concern yourself with when deciding whether to execute some sort of throw-in or to just place the club 10.
Plus, when Declarer does have this layout, he would be expected to go with the line I suggested. That gives RHO an expectation that he can win the second heart to exit a top diamond.
Plus, when Declarer does have this layout, he would be expected to go with the line I suggested. That gives RHO an expectation that he can win the second heart to exit a top diamond.
Does that mean that you won't be interested in a further examination of your suggested line?
Suppose that the defenders indulge declarer by allowing him to score ♥K, ♣K and ♥10. The position is now:
Declarer can, as you say, "exit clubs to throw his RHO in for a repeated diamond hook". Regrettably, though, East has already taken one trick, and will take another four before giving declarer his diamond finesse.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-April-27, 15:47
Winstonm, on Apr 27 2008, 10:39 PM, said:
gnasher, on Apr 27 2008, 04:34 PM, said:
Winstonm, on Apr 27 2008, 10:22 PM, said:
The line of play I am considering is spade ducked and returned, then heart to King and theb the 10 won by East, who can only exit now with the diamond Q. Declarer wins and leads a low club to the 9 (or Q if West plays the Jack).
In that line, East wins ♣9 with 10 and exits with his remaining high diamond. Declarer has only eight tricks.
If so, I count 4 diamond tricks, 2 spades, 2 hearts, and 1 club for 9 tricks, while opps win 1 spade, 2 clubs, and 1 heart.
Am I missing something here?
Yes. You're missing an entry to cash the second heart trick.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-April-27, 15:52
gnasher, on Apr 27 2008, 04:47 PM, said:
Winstonm, on Apr 27 2008, 10:39 PM, said:
gnasher, on Apr 27 2008, 04:34 PM, said:
Winstonm, on Apr 27 2008, 10:22 PM, said:
The line of play I am considering is spade ducked and returned, then heart to King and theb the 10 won by East, who can only exit now with the diamond Q. Declarer wins and leads a low club to the 9 (or Q if West plays the Jack).
In that line, East wins ♣9 with 10 and exits with his remaining high diamond. Declarer has only eight tricks.
If so, I count 4 diamond tricks, 2 spades, 2 hearts, and 1 club for 9 tricks, while opps win 1 spade, 2 clubs, and 1 heart.
Am I missing something here?
Yes. You're missing an entry to cash the second heart trick.
As Homer Simpson would say. D'oh!
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Posted 2008-April-27, 17:06
I think this works: win the second spade, diamond to the jack and king, ♥K ducked, and now ♥10.
If East takes and exits with a diamond, South wins, cashes the diamonds, and leads a club to the nine.
If East ducks ♥10, South plays diamonds from the top anyway. When East wins the third diamond, he is endplayed to give South two clubs tricks, to go with his two spades, two hearts and three diamonds.
If East takes and exits with a diamond, South wins, cashes the diamonds, and leads a club to the nine.
If East ducks ♥10, South plays diamonds from the top anyway. When East wins the third diamond, he is endplayed to give South two clubs tricks, to go with his two spades, two hearts and three diamonds.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2008-April-27, 19:43
Oh yeah. Forgot the contract was 3NT. Duh!
Still, this seems to be opener's line. The fact that it fails is immaterial.
Besides, this is a stupid layout to play for.
Still, this seems to be opener's line. The fact that it fails is immaterial.
Besides, this is a stupid layout to play for.
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