[kfay]

Scoring: IMP

(P)-P-(4♣)-?

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Let's say you Double. Partner bids 4♠ and RHO bids 5♣. Now what?

[mike777]

Object!


Why not a simple 4D vul vs NV I got a 4 loser hand.....I would hope partner would play me for a good hand if I bid 4D vul at imps.

Now I have no idea...double I guess.

[CSGibson]

6 NT

[ArtK78]

I would have bid 4♦ over 4♣, although it is an underbid. Double leaves you poorly placed later.

If you bid 4♦ and partner bids 4 of a major, you can play in his major (I would raise as a general slam try). But if you double first you have no clue where to play the hand.

[whereagles]

Since I know RHO is gonna bid 5♣, this is easy: 4♦ + dbl.

[kfay]

RHO is going to bid 5♣ over a non-game of 4♦?

I'm sorry but to me 4♦ is completely insane.

[nick_s]

Good question!
I like the 6NT punt: it seems as good as anything at this point.

Check out the thread 'Robson/Segal advice' in the General Discussion area for a related discussion about 4♦ vs double.

I confess I would probably have doubled at the table. I suspect 4♦ would have been a better choice.

[jdonn]

Easy double the second time. These votes for 4♦ the first time are shocking, the hand is both too strong and too good for any other strain.

[whereagles]

jdonn, on Dec 9 2007, 08:41 PM, said:

Easy double the second time. These votes for 4♦ the first time are shocking, the hand is both too strong and too good for any other strain.

doh, we bid 4♦ because we know RHO is gonna bid 5♣ no matter what. If I didn't know that, I'd probably bid 5♦ over 4♣.. lol.

That's why I think these 2-in-1 or 2-part problems don't make much sense: we end up making a 1st bid based on info we weren't supposed to have until 2nd round.

[kfay]

I see what you're saying. Perhaps I should rephrase. I doubled at my first bid (agree?). Now what?

[han]

jdonn, on Dec 9 2007, 03:41 PM, said:

Easy double the second time. These votes for 4♦ the first time are shocking, the hand is both too strong and too good for any other strain.

I agree.

[whereagles]

kfay, on Dec 9 2007, 10:05 PM, said:

I see what you're saying. Perhaps I should rephrase. I doubled at my first bid (agree?). Now what?

That would be better, yes

[pclayton]

4♦? Laughable.

I can see double and diamonds but we are probably getting fixed here.

In a fun game I'll try 6N.

[FrancesHinden]

6N now is just silly, you might as well have bid 6N last round.

I would have overcalled 4NT (natural) over 4C.

[nige1]

kfay, on Dec 9 2007, 11:24 AM, said:

Scoring: IMP

(P)-P-(4♣)-?

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Let's say you Double.  Partner bids 4♠ and RHO bids 5♣.  Now what?

FrancesHinden, on Dec 10 2007, 04:31 AM, said:

6N now is just silly, you might as well have bid 6N last round. I would have overcalled 4NT (natural) over 4C.

Frances' suggestion seems best although I suspect that I would overlook that possibility, at the table. IMO

• Over 4♣; 4N = 10, _X = 7, 5♦ = 4, 4♦ = 3.
  
• Over 5♣; _X = 10, 5♦ = 5, 5♠ = 1.

[kfay]

I doubled then doubled again, which was passed out.

How do you defend when you lead the ♦K and dummy comes down:

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and partner encourages with the ♦3?

Edit: sorry realized this will lead everyone astray. Let's pretend partner discouraged...

[jtfanclub]

How big is the club x in dummy?

My first thought is three rounds of diamonds (assuming that the second one doesn't get ruffed).

[kfay]

jtfanclub, on Dec 12 2007, 11:22 AM, said:

How big is the club x in dummy?

My first thought is three rounds of diamonds (assuming that the second one doesn't get ruffed).

Sorry, partner discourages.

[pclayton]

Cash another diamond and watch the spots very carefully. I would think pard has one of the major Q's or the ♥A and I'd like to figure out which one.

K from AK here is a useful agreement by the way.