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#1 User is offline   cnszsun 

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Posted 2007-November-17, 17:43

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1♣-(1♥)-ps-(ps)
2♦-(ps)-?

You passed in first round, then partner reversed in balancing seat, what kind hand did he get, and your action?
At table, i thought his most likely shape was 5♦s+6♣s, then we only needed him holding ♦K and ♣AK to make 5, so i jumped to 5♦. Was my thinking correct?
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Posted 2007-November-17, 17:58

2♥, followed by 3♦. Or a direct 3♦ if pard is an overbidder.

Pard cannot have 65. That would give opps like a dbl fit in the majors and they'd surely be bidding more.
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Posted 2007-November-17, 18:37

As usual with tough bidding problems x or cuebid is often a fair option.


cuebid of 2h here. :rolleyes:
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Posted 2007-November-17, 22:25

I would just bid 4D.
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Posted 2007-November-18, 04:20

My immediate reaction was 3♦ but thinking more about it, we almost certainly make 5♦ if p has his bid.

4♦ it is. P is probably void in hearts (a reverse shows a hand that would not like to defend 1♥X I think) so it's no problem to bypass 3N.

2♥ would show a trap pass I think.
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Posted 2007-November-18, 04:33

Jlall, on Nov 18 2007, 06:25 AM, said:

I would just bid 4D.

I'm always happy if I would have chosen the same bid as you....so I'm worried about my choice now:
Here I would bid 2H followed by 3NT. Don't you think that 3NT is still a possible contract?
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Posted 2007-November-18, 04:40

Why didn't I bid 1NT the first time round? That way I'd get my hand off my chest.

I'm going to try 3D here. 3NT may be a good contract.
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Posted 2007-November-18, 04:54

It's a pity I didn't bid 1NT on the first round.
What does partner have? He didn't reopen with a double, and he must be quite strong for his reverse. I shouldn't hang him for it though.

I will show my support with 3♦, if he's 15-17 it's probably ok,
since 3NT will then only make with Ax, xx, KJxx, AKQxx.
If he's stronger i guess he'll cue 3♥ and we end in 3NT.
With more distribution (5-6 is suggested) we will find 5/6♦ (and i hope it will be the right one then :) ).
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Posted 2007-November-18, 05:56

Hi,

5-4 is possible, and more likely than 6-5,
if he has 6-5, he will make another move
if I show some live.

I guess I would go with 3D, if I would bid
stronger, partner may give me a trap pass.
For that matter, why did I not bid 1NT?

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PS: An interesting point to discuss with partner
is, if 2D is forcing or not, and if it is forcing, if
2NT would be what ever you call it (e.g. Lebensohl).
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Posted 2007-November-18, 06:20

kgr, on Nov 18 2007, 05:33 AM, said:

Jlall, on Nov 18 2007, 06:25 AM, said:

I would just bid 4D.

I'm always happy if I would have chosen the same bid as you....so I'm worried about my choice now:
Here I would bid 2H followed by 3NT. Don't you think that 3NT is still a possible contract?

2H is certainly reasonable, but I don't think you should be angling for 3N. Partner didn't reopen with a X so that means either short spades OR a shapely hand (since if he was say 3145 he would X, etc). I don't think 2245 is possible in this auction since partner could have opened 1N, rebid 1N, passed with a minimum hand, or Xed with 2245 18-19 no stopper. It seems like you are facing a good 4-6 or longer from partner and you really have no desire to play 3N opposite that. Add to that that when you bid 2H followed by 3N he will think you are loaded in hearts and had a trap pass, and that he already has shown shape, he is not going to pull it with a normal 4-6 hand.
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Posted 2007-November-18, 10:57

3 ♦ is enough for me, I would expect pd to reopen with hands which are a tad weaker then a normal reverse.

I had bid 1 NT the first round too, but don´t mind passing, this is minimum with a weak stopper, so enough reason to downgrade.
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Posted 2007-November-18, 11:12

3d seems too little here for me. Partner has a real good hand.
More than:

AJ..xx.......AKxx........Axxxx
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Posted 2007-November-18, 14:43

mike777, on Nov 18 2007, 06:12 PM, said:

3d seems too little here for me. Partner has a real good hand.
More than:

AJ..xx.......AKxx........Axxxx

I agree with the first part, but not the 2nd.
That hand is an obvious balancing double and so is stronger hands of this type. You're really happy if partner converts holding hands like this.

Btw, I'd always bid 1NT on the previous round with this hand,
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Posted 2007-November-18, 14:52

Pard is either a 5-6, but could also be a very strong hand with the shape inappropriate for a TOx - something like a 1=3=4=5 20 count.

In either case, I'm not interested in 3N.

4♦ is a very intelligent call. We might even have a slam opposite: A, x, KJxxx, AKxxxx.
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Posted 2007-November-19, 01:48

Okay for all the guys who dislike 3 Diamond:

1. What is the worst hand you bid 3 Diamond with?

2. What is the worst hand you expect pd to have for his reverse?
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Posted 2007-November-19, 02:03

Codo, on Nov 19 2007, 02:48 AM, said:

Okay for all the guys who dislike 3 Diamond:

1. What is the worst hand you bid 3 Diamond with?

2. What is the worst hand you expect pd to have for his reverse?

IF partner can bid 2d on a 3.5 two suited loser hand....we got to bid more than 3D. :)

in another words if we got 2 or 2.5 winners or more we got to bid more than 3d....with less 3d is fine.
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Posted 2007-November-19, 02:13

Codo, on Nov 19 2007, 02:48 AM, said:

Okay for all the guys who dislike 3 Diamond:

1. What is the worst hand you bid 3 Diamond with?

2. What is the worst hand you expect pd to have for his reverse?

I would bid 3♦ with the diamond ace less.
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Posted 2007-November-19, 04:14

jdonn, on Nov 19 2007, 03:13 AM, said:

Codo, on Nov 19 2007, 02:48 AM, said:

Okay for all the guys who dislike 3 Diamond:

1. What is the worst hand you bid 3 Diamond with?

2. What is the worst hand you expect pd to have for his reverse?

I would bid 3♦ with the diamond ace less.

And I would pass without the Ace.

The question a partnership has to answer is,
is 2D forcing / nonforcing, and if you have
answered this than you know, what you have
to bid.

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Marlowe
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Posted 2007-November-19, 05:01

I would def bid 3D with Kxxx of diamonds and xx clubs.

P_Marlowe I don't think jdonn (or anyone) thinks 2D is forcing, jdonn just realizes that a holding like Qxxx of diamonds and xx clubs is far more than minimum, and that the minors are the key on this auction. Partner would have no reason to think you have a hand as suitable as that when he bid 2D, and should be able to count on a raise with a hand that suitable.
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Posted 2007-November-19, 05:39

So if Kxxx,xx in the minors and out is all you need, then pds best hand must be something like:

AK,xx,AQxx,AKxxx, because with less you will seldom make 5 Diamond?
Or do you really believe in xx,-,AQxxx,AKxxxx and the opps just bidding 1 Heart with 17 Majors suit cards and 23 HCPS between them?

I still cannot construct any hand where you need to bid 3 Diamonds with f.e. xxxx,xxx, Kxxx,xx.

So any advice is still welcome.
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