[kgr]

You hold:
AQ=Qxx=xx=JTxxxx
Partner opens 2NT (20-21).
You play some kind of puppet stayman.

If you bid 3♣ then partner bids 3♥, meaning no 4 or 5 card Major.
You can now bid 4♣ which is slem interest in ♣ or slem interest with 4/4 minors. Over 4 ♣ partner can bid :
- 4♦ with ♦'s (you can sign of in 4NT)
- or cue 4♥/4♠ with a 4-card ♣.
- He can sign of with 4NT.
What is your plan?

[whereagles]

3nt wtp

[jdonn]

It's possible to have slam, but trying for it is just too much. Anyway what's with these methods? Partner has no way to get excited about clubs unless he holds four of them?

[kenrexford]

The Puppet Version is not bad. It sounds like what I have called the Lazy (5-4) Cure Puppet. I'm guessing that 3NT shows five hearts, otherwise normal, with 3♥-P-3♠ handling the 5♠/4♥ problem with normal Puppet, eh?

That being said, I think I would have skipped Puppet, modified or not, on this hand and would have opted for a 3♠ call, which I suspect to be a relay to 3NT for minor probes (if you play Lazy-Cure Puppet). If you add in that Opener can reject the relay and bid 4♣ with a general "I'd accept a lot of minor-oriented slam tries" super-acceptance, you will get the answer you want. You forfeit finding the 5-3 heart fit, but I can live with that.

[mike777]

2nt=3nt

next hand.

[kgr]

kenrexford, on Nov 18 2007, 02:13 AM, said:

The Puppet Version is not bad. It sounds like what I have called the Lazy (5-4) Cure Puppet. I'm guessing that 3NT shows five hearts, otherwise normal, with 3♥-P-3♠ handling the 5♠/4♥ problem with normal Puppet, eh?

right

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That being said, I think I would have skipped Puppet, modified or not, on this hand and would have opted for a 3♠ call, which I suspect to be a relay to 3NT for minor probes (if you play Lazy-Cure Puppet).

No, 3♠ would show 5/4 in the minors and slem interest.
5 card minor or 4/4 minors and slem interest go via 3♣
With 6 card minor and good slem interst we bid 4 in the minor

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If you add in that Opener can reject the relay and bid 4♣ with a general "I'd accept a lot of minor-oriented slam tries" super-acceptance, you will get the answer you want.  You forfeit finding the 5-3 heart fit, but I can live with that.

We bid that via 3♣ followed by 4♣, but will end in 4NT iso 3NT if no fit.

[gwnn]

so do u have a way to show slem interest with just one minor?

[kgr]

gwnn, on Nov 18 2007, 10:07 AM, said:

so do u have a way to show slem interest with just one minor?

- 2NT-4m = slem interest with 6-card in that minor, opener tries to sign off with 4NT
- 2NT-3C-3x-4C (with 3x denying a 5-card major) = slem interest with 4/4 in minors or 5-card Club, opener bids 4D if he likes D and not C or tries to sign off with 4NT
- 2NT-3C-3x-4D (with 3x denying a 5-card major) = slem interest with 5-card Diamond, opener tries to sign off with 4NT
- 2NT-3S = slem interest with 5/4 in minors, opener bid 3NT without a 4-card minor

[kgr]

Thanks for the answers. Mostly I only post failures (hoping to learn from it). Yhis one was a succes and I wanted to verify if it was well earned:
 
AQ=Qxx=xx=JTxxxx
vs
Kx=AKx=Axx=AKxxx
 
bidding:
2NT-3♣
3♥-4♣
4♥-4♠
4NT-5♣
5♦-6♣
 
2NT: 20-21
3♣: some kind of puppet stayman
3♥: No 4-card M
4♣: slem interest with 4/4 minors or 5 card ♣
4♥: agree ♣, 1st/2nd control ♥ (does not deny ♦ control)
4♠: control
4NT: RKC
5♣: 4/1
5♦: Ask ♣Q?
6♣: does not have ♣Q (maybe I should show the Q with a 6-card, luckily I didn't)

[vang]

imo it was lucky. not always 2NT opener has only controls. i won't even consider that a 2NT opening, it's way too strong.

[mike777]

kgr, on Nov 18 2007, 07:33 AM, said:

Thanks for the answers. Mostly I only post failures (hoping to learn from it). Yhis one was a succes and I wanted to verify if it was well earned:
 
AQ=Qxx=xx=JTxxxx
vs
Kx=AKx=Axx=AKxxx
 
bidding:
2NT-3♣
3♥-4♣
4♥-4♠
4NT-5♣
5♦-6♣
 
2NT: 20-21
3♣: some kind of puppet stayman
3♥: No 4-card M
4♣: slem interest with 4/4 minors or 5 card ♣
4♥: agree ♣, 1st/2nd control ♥ (does not deny ♦ control)
4♠: control
4NT: RKC
5♣: 4/1
5♦: Ask ♣Q?
6♣: does not have ♣Q (maybe I should show the Q with a 6-card, luckily I didn't)

Too strong for 2nt

As usual this was partner's fault not ours.

[skjaeran]

kgr, on Nov 18 2007, 01:33 PM, said:

Thanks for the answers. Mostly I only post failures (hoping to learn from it). Yhis one was a succes and I wanted to verify if it was well earned:
 
AQ=Qxx=xx=JTxxxx
vs
Kx=AKx=Axx=AKxxx

That hand is way too strong for a 20-21 NT. 21 hcp, only controls and a 5-card suit should be upgraded to a 22-24 NT (upper half of that range maybe), because of it's slam potential. I'd not invite slam with the OP hand, but it's close.

[kenrexford]

skaeran, on Nov 18 2007, 03:48 PM, said:

kgr, on Nov 18 2007, 01:33 PM, said:

Thanks for the answers. Mostly I only post failures (hoping to learn from it). Yhis one was a succes and I wanted to verify if it was well earned:
 
AQ=Qxx=xx=JTxxxx
vs
Kx=AKx=Axx=AKxxx

That hand is way too strong for a 20-21 NT. 21 hcp, only controls and a 5-card suit should be upgraded to a 22-24 NT (upper half of that range maybe), because of it's slam potential. I'd not invite slam with the OP hand, but it's close.

I get to 24 HCP's without even accounting for the fifth club. LOL I might consider Kokish with this hand. Not really, but almost. If partner did that, I'd be OK with it.