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What do you lead? Against this slam

#1 User is offline   ewj 

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Posted 2006-November-15, 09:14

The auction has gone 2NT-6NT. 2NT shows 19-20 (it's part of some acol system in England). Your hand is:

J7xx
KQx
xx
JT9x
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Posted 2006-November-15, 09:24

♣J.
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Posted 2006-November-15, 09:24

Jack of clubs, looks like
the safest lead.

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Posted 2006-November-15, 09:41

club ten.
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Posted 2006-November-15, 10:02

J♣ looks obvious

And I'd have said that in the simplest Acol, flat 19s open a suit and rebid 3NT. Not that that's any better...
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Posted 2006-November-15, 10:08

♣J for sure. If the ♥K was right this time, don't let that influence you.
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Posted 2006-November-15, 10:33

I don't understand the need to lead an honest club card here, sometimes your JT9x is going to get picked off if you do this. If you lead the T they are unlikely to guess the position and your partner can't go wrong. He would never put up the queen and would only put up the king if dummy didn't have the queen in which case it won't matter.
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Posted 2006-November-15, 10:39

Hum.. with pard close to 0 hcp, there's a lot of sense in what justin's saying, although I must confess I probably wouldn't have remembered to lead the 10 at table ;)
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Posted 2006-November-15, 10:42

I think if you are playing IMP's, you should lead the heart K and get one trick established immediately. Now hopefully either partner can win a trick or the black suit breaks will cause declarer to go down. Right or wrong, I have found that when defending slams, it pays over the long run to go ahead and establish a trick whenever I can. (If I was defending 3N at imps, I would be more inclined to lead the club J).

At MP's, the club J is slightly more attractive. but given the fact that dummy failed to use stayman (most likely, no four card major) makes me a little more inclined to still lead the heart K. Flip a coin, its that close, imo.
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Posted 2006-November-15, 10:44

Jlall, on Nov 15 2006, 11:33 AM, said:

I don't understand the need to lead an honest club card here, sometimes your JT9x is going to get picked off if you do this. If you lead the T they are unlikely to guess the position and your partner can't go wrong. He would never put up the queen and would only put up the king if dummy didn't have the queen in which case it won't matter.

You dont lead the 10 from K109x? Partner should put up the Q in this case....however since you led the 10 from J109x, its unlikely to matter if he does. :)
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Posted 2006-November-15, 11:27

bid_em_up, on Nov 15 2006, 11:44 AM, said:

You dont lead the 10 from K109x?  Partner should put up the Q in this case....however since you led the 10 from J109x, its unlikely to matter if he does.  :)

No, I don't lead from KT9x of clubs vs 2N-6N period. Partner will know this. If partner is looking at any kind of club length in dummy like A8xx there is no way he will put up the queen. Even if partner chooses to not use his brain it's A) unlikely that he even has a club honor to put up and B ) unlikely to cost when he does.

It is common that if both opponents are balanced you try and make the most passive lead possible against 6N. Sure, responder COULD have a long minor and COULD have chosen not to show it but in general they are balanced opposite balanced and your goal is simply not to blow a trick.
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Posted 2006-November-15, 11:53

♣s seem to be the obvious lead. Given that pard's hand is likely immaterial, you can make the case for leading J♣ / T♣ (the latter is preferrable unless you have played against this particular declarer often and your deceptive tendencies are known).

BTW, it behooves this hand to plan discards in advance after taking a looking at dummy -- looks like it's going to face the entire brunt :)...
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Posted 2006-November-15, 13:53

It was MP scoring. I led the club jack.
Dummy has a 2272 shape with AKQJxxx of diamonds. Partner has the ace of clubs, and a heart lead was needed to beat it. I didn't see any problem with a club lead but had a few players telling me that I should have led a heart. I thought they were being results merchants personally, and the answers here suggest that I was right.

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Posted 2006-November-15, 14:54

Obvious ♥K lead. I have soo many points, just feels like LHO has a running suit, probably diamonds.
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Posted 2006-November-15, 15:24

ewj, on Nov 15 2006, 11:53 AM, said:

It was MP scoring. I led the club jack.
Dummy has a 2272 shape with AKQJxxx of diamonds. Partner has the ace of clubs, and a heart lead was needed to beat it. I didn't see any problem with a club lead but had a few players telling me that I should have led a heart. I thought they were being results merchants personally, and the answers here suggest that I was right.

Thanks :P

Suggesting the ♥K lead into a 2N opener when both hands appear to be balanced is the pinnacle of resulting.
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Posted 2006-November-15, 16:01

cherdano, on Nov 15 2006, 03:54 PM, said:

Obvious ♥K lead. I have soo many points, just feels like LHO has a running suit, probably diamonds.

I don't understand why dummy should necessarily put down a long running suit. It could have been a pure quantitative auction just as easily; you have seven high cards, the opponents could easily have the rest or close to it and you could have blown it easily by an aggressive lead.
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Posted 2006-November-15, 16:05

sathyab, on Nov 15 2006, 02:01 PM, said:

cherdano, on Nov 15 2006, 03:54 PM, said:

Obvious ♥K lead. I have soo many points, just feels like LHO has a running suit, probably diamonds.

I don't understand why dummy should necessarily put down a long running suit. It could have been a pure quantitative auction just as easily; you have seven high cards, the opponents could easily have the rest or close to it and you could have blown it easily by an aggressive lead.

Arend is kidding (see his prior post where he leads the J♣)

You'll get used to his sick German / Ute humor. :P
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Posted 2006-November-15, 22:16

Heart lead is obvious!! Lol.

No seriously, I would lead a C of course. Agree with Phil's comments totally.
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