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#1 User is offline   Apollo81 

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Posted 2006-November-13, 10:10

IMPs, all white

♠xx
♥KQJxxxx
♦---
♣Axxx

RHO opens 1♣

If your bid is not 4♥, explain why.
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Posted 2006-November-13, 10:31

One should be careful when one has extreme length in both RHO suit and another. Odds that pard has a 55 in the remaining suits are high and no one makes a thing.

This hand is borderline between 3♥ and 4♥, though I consider 3♥ the "conservative bid", and 4♥ the "swing bid".
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  Posted 2006-November-13, 10:35

4♥, just so I don't have to explain myself.

Seriously ... what other call is there?
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Posted 2006-November-13, 15:09

4H.
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Posted 2006-November-13, 15:13

4 ♥ what else? May not work always but more often then anything else
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Posted 2006-November-13, 15:18

whereagles, on Nov 13 2006, 10:31 AM, said:

One should be careful when one has extreme length in both RHO suit and another. Odds that pard has a 55 in the remaining suits are high and no one makes a thing.

This hand is borderline between 3♥ and 4♥, though I consider 3♥ the "conservative bid", and 4♥ the "swing bid".

We agree, but I like 4♥ just a bit more than 3♥ if White.

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Posted 2006-November-13, 15:24

4♥

3♥ is the perfect definition of a 'nothing' bid.

It puts minimal pressure on the opps, has no real reward when it works, and may miss a game: how on earth is partner ever going to know what to do?

If you are afraid to bid 4♥, stay in bed all day: life is too dangerous for you ;)

1♥ is odd, but better than 3♥ ...unfortunately, that is the only good thing I could think of to say about 1♥.
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Posted 2006-November-13, 15:41

While I agree that 4♥ is the "right" bid... how about 1NT? You have a club stopper after all. You can always pull 3NT from partner to 4♥, and there are a lot of situations where the 1NT bid might prevent the opponents from finding their 4♠ contract.
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Posted 2006-November-13, 15:50

awm, on Nov 13 2006, 04:41 PM, said:

While I agree that 4♥ is the "right" bid... how about 1NT? You have a club stopper after all. You can always pull 3NT from partner to 4♥, and there are a lot of situations where the 1NT bid might prevent the opponents from finding their 4♠ contract.

And you can always pass partner's texas transfer ;) Not a good hand for South African Texas, however :(
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Posted 2006-November-13, 18:38

mikeh, on Nov 13 2006, 09:24 PM, said:

3♥ is the perfect definition of a 'nothing' bid.

It puts minimal pressure on the opps, has no real reward when it works, and may miss a game: how on earth is partner ever going to know what to do?

Minimal pressure? I don't think so. Unless LHO has an easy 3♠ bid, he's gonna have a real hard time over 3♥. Especially if his suit is diamonds.

4♥ puts LHO into a different type of pressure, not necessarily into more pressure.
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Posted 2006-November-13, 19:49

"4♥ puts LHO into a different type of pressure, not necessarily into more pressure"

Funny, I always feel more pressure the higher I have to bid in a competitive auction.

Must be just me.

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Posted 2006-November-13, 20:11

4♥.

I'm sure theres a story here.
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Posted 2006-November-14, 08:25

pclayton, on Nov 13 2006, 10:11 PM, said:

4♥.

I'm sure theres a story here.

No. The other table didn't bid 4♥, and it cost them. I can't imagine why....
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Posted 2006-November-15, 00:20

I would bid 4♥. It could lose but seems normal. Red/White a 3H bid seems normal.
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Posted 2006-November-15, 00:31

dank, on Nov 15 2006, 01:20 AM, said:

I would bid 4♥. It could lose but seems normal. Red/White a 3H bid seems normal.

Oo I didn't know dank ever preempted :huh:
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Posted 2006-November-15, 01:23

Not sure I would bid 4♥ with that lot.

If partner doesn't have hearts then we are taking an almost sure minus and we can't be sure that anyone can make anything.

2♥ Intermediate jump seems reasonable to me planning to accept any invitational noise or raise.
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