The 1=4=6=2 shape caused me to open 1♦. (I believe that this is the strongest hand that I have ever been dealt where I didn't open 2♣) Curious whether there is any consensus surrounding the opening...
How much is too much?
#1
Posted 2006-June-30, 08:52
The 1=4=6=2 shape caused me to open 1♦. (I believe that this is the strongest hand that I have ever been dealt where I didn't open 2♣) Curious whether there is any consensus surrounding the opening...
#2
Posted 2006-June-30, 09:21
If pd passes you are probably looking at a spade overcall.
I like 1D better in a partnerships where a 1 level response can be less than 6 hcp.
Peter
#3
Posted 2006-June-30, 09:23
Now to get back into the mocking mode, I do have a bid for this hand with most partners... opening 2♦ as weak two in either major, or a very strong minor hand. This fits the latter condition.
#4
Posted 2006-June-30, 09:26
Here it goes 2♣-2♦-3♦ say and I'm not too badly placed, if it continues 3♠-3NT that's OK I feel I have pretty much shown my hand.
If I start with 1♦-1♠-2♥-2♠ this is awkward now.
#5
Posted 2006-June-30, 09:32
The reason? Its real tough to find hearts after the start 2♣ - 2♦ - 3♦ because for many 3♥ is double negative.
#6
Posted 2006-June-30, 09:45
inquiry, on Jun 30 2006, 06:23 PM, said:
Can you show hearts below 3N?
#7
Posted 2006-June-30, 09:49
hrothgar, on Jun 30 2006, 10:45 AM, said:
inquiry, on Jun 30 2006, 06:23 PM, said:
Can you show hearts below 3N?
Partner can show hearts.... below 3NT...
For example...
2D - pass- 2S
Shows tolerance for hearts and some value or distribution
2D - pass - 3H
Shows hearts and spades (probably 4S+, 3H+)
2D - pass - 3S
Shows at least 4 hearts
2D - Pass -3N
Shows 4-4 in the majors
2D - Pass - 4C
Shows 5H, 4S
2D - Pass 4D
Shows 5S, 4H.
Now should partner bid 2NT directly over 2D, there really isn't any need for me to show hearts, as we will surely have a laydown grand slam somewhere... what with the monster I hold. 4D response will show my strong hand and we go from there.
#8
Posted 2006-June-30, 09:49
#9
Posted 2006-June-30, 10:00
After 2♣, then no matter what happens, unless I play a gadget, I will likely lose the ♥ suit.
Thus 2♣ 2♦ 3♦ even if 2♦ was positive (I play 2♥ neg), responder is not (I hope) about to bid 3♥ on Jxxx..... and may be reluctant to bid it on xxxxx.
There is a gadget available: 2♣ 2♦ 3M showing 4 card major and longer ♦ (you don't need it for ♣'s: just use 2♣ 2♦ 3♣ 3♦ as a waiting bid, allowing opener to show a side major below 3N)
But even if I had this gadget here, I would be reluctant to use it due to the relatively poor strength of the ♦ suit.
I see NO problem with 1♦ 1♠ 2♥ 2♠ (for example): I would bid 3N... sure that could be 1=4=5=3, but this hand (with the ♣10 and poor internal ♦'s) is not far from it... and this sequence would show the strength: too good for a 2N rebid over 2♠... which would be 17-19 or so.
I also think that 1♦ leaves me slightly better positioned should the opps get in my face....
As a nod to one post, I admit that this style works best when partner rarely passes: in my partnerships we almost never pass with an Ace nor with a decent 4 count and a 5 card major, so if it goes 1♦ ppp, I actually expect to get a good result.
#10
Posted 2006-June-30, 10:41
However, there are people around who say they would respond 1S to a 1D opening bid on something like QJxxxx xxx x xxx and then pass a 2H reverse even though they "know" it is forcing. I don't play with people like that from choice, but if partner was one of them I would open 2C.
#11
Posted 2006-June-30, 11:18
hrothgar, on Jun 30 2006, 09:52 AM, said:
The 1=4=6=2 shape caused me to open 1♦. (I believe that this is the strongest hand that I have ever been dealt where I didn't open 2♣) Curious whether there is any consensus surrounding the opening...
Let's see open 2c with:
long major, 4 QT and 9 playing tricks or
long minor, 4QT and 10 playing tricks or
22+ hcp balanced
I see long minor and 4+QT but less than 10 playing tricks so:
I open 1D
#12
Posted 2006-June-30, 11:28
mike777, on Jun 30 2006, 08:18 PM, said:
long major, 4 QT and 9 playing tricks or
long minor, 4QT and 10 playing tricks or
22+ hcp balanced
I see long minor and 4+QT but less than 10 playing tricks so:
I open 1D
I sounds like you're suggesting that that the hand isn't strong enough for a 2♣ opening.
From my perspective, the hand is easily strong enough...
I think that the primary flaw is the shape.
2 suiters with Diamonds and hearts are notoriously hard to handle...
#13
Posted 2006-June-30, 11:50
hrothgar, on Jun 30 2006, 07:28 PM, said:
Two-suiters with both minors are even worse. How do you like this auction:
2♣ - 2♦
3♦ - 3M
4♣
I am also a 1♦ opener although we might have missed a game if I don't get another chance.
Roland
#14
Posted 2006-June-30, 11:54
A...AKQT....AQJxxx...AT
#15
Posted 2006-June-30, 13:04
2C-2D-3H/S
To describe a hand with long diamonds and 4 cards in the bid major.
Seems like a good idea to me.
Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com
#16
Posted 2006-June-30, 16:20
fred, on Jun 30 2006, 02:04 PM, said:
2C-2D-3H/S
To describe a hand with long diamonds and 4 cards in the bid major.
Seems like a good idea to me.
Fred Gitelman
Bridge Base Inc.
www.bridgebase.com
Yeah I have been playing this way for ten years. I first saw the treatment in a Romex book.
This way:
2C-2D-3C-
3D("stayman")
3M 5 cards
2C-2D-3D(denies a major)
3M 5 cards
2C-2D-3M
4 in M, 5+ in D
On a similar theme, when I play 2C-2H as either
a. a scattered positive (like a 2N bid)
or
b. a double negative
I play the auction 2C-2H-3S as flannary shape: 4S, 5+H
#17
Posted 2006-June-30, 22:46
joshs, on Jun 30 2006, 05:20 PM, said:
Which one?
The latest four books on Romex all suggest that with clubs the primary suit, 2♣-2any-3♣ shows a two suited hand, and then 3♦ asks for the second suit, while 2♣-2any-3♦ shows a club one-suiter. With primary diamonds you open 2♦ and the same principle applies.
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