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What's your call? LHO has diamonds.

Poll: Expect the worst. (41 member(s) have cast votes)

Expect the worst.

  1. Pass (1 votes [2.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.44%

  2. Double (10 votes [24.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 24.39%

  3. 2NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 3 Clubs (29 votes [70.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 70.73%

  5. 3 Diamonds (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 3 NT (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Other (1 votes [2.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.44%

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Posted 2006-May-21, 07:42

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RHO opens 2♦ in first seat. Just a club game against one of the better pairs. This is the penultimate board and you are in the lead (60%). How to proceed?

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Posted 2006-May-21, 09:46

Double and convert 2S to 3C. It shows this hand type after a double of a weak 2.

Ironically, I think its a tougher hand over 1D instead of 2D, unless you play a gadget.
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Posted 2006-May-21, 09:57

3C for me. This hand isn't all that good and it is playable in a number of strains and if partner can't move over 3C we probably don't have a lot on anyway.
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Posted 2006-May-21, 11:06

Hi everyone

Double followed by 3C 'if' partner bids 2S.

Clubs games are fairly bad here in one of the three strongest bridge areas in America.

60% might win only in a smaller weaker club game here.

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Posted 2006-May-21, 13:53

Remember that part of the topic is that LHO has diamonds too.......so you know that he will raise the preempt.......still happy with the double?
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Posted 2006-May-21, 14:11

Al_U_Card, on May 21 2006, 02:53 PM, said:

Remember that part of the topic is that LHO has diamonds too.......so you know that he will raise the preempt.......still happy with the double?

How do I know this, when I decide which call to make?
I think I will bid 3C, but if dbl followed by 3C over 2S
does not promise add. strength, than the bid is better.

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Posted 2006-May-21, 14:48

Respectfully, how do you know they won't? My opps raise to 3♦ on xx.......

I guess the question is: "Which of the available calls is the most expressive of your values and suited to the current situation?"
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Posted 2006-May-21, 20:07

I'd prefer 3♣, and double over the anticipated 3♦ by LHO.
I'm not going to pass 2♦, and then having to decide what to do over 3♦
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Posted 2006-May-21, 22:05

pclayton, on May 21 2006, 10:46 AM, said:

Double and convert 2S to 3C. It shows this hand type after a double of a weak 2.

Ironically, I think its a tougher hand over 1D instead of 2D, unless you play a gadget.

I don't understand your comment. Are you saying double then bid clubs shows lots of extras after a 1♦ opening but not after a 2♦ opening?
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Posted 2006-May-22, 03:56

Playing ELC you can double. Otherwise 3♣ seems better.
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Posted 2006-May-22, 04:03

I would bid 3♣. I noticed in such situations it's usually a lot better to start bidding natural, than just to double to show values...
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Posted 2006-May-22, 04:59

3♣ for me. Bid what you have. Dbl is a big overbid.
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Posted 2006-May-22, 07:05

3 ♣ followed by 3 ♥. Pd should understand this as a good hand, but not strong (or long) enough for a direct 4 ♣ or a direct 3 or 4 Diamond bid.
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Posted 2006-May-22, 07:41

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So, after hearing
2♦ DBL 3♦
can you resist bidding 4♠?

I couldn't. Pard said he expected 5 good spades so he didn't correct.

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Posted 2006-May-22, 08:21

In my view, the hand is not good enough to double first, then bid clubs next. The texture of the club suit is my main concern, but there are other flaws too. I would overcall 3♣ which shows a good hand, especially vulnerable.

Do I not risk missing the heart fit if I don't double? Sure, can happen, but as said many times before: bridge is a game of percentages, and the odds favour a 2♠ (or higher) response when I am 2-4 in the majors.

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Posted 2006-May-22, 09:15

Josh: I thought ELC over preempts is fairly standard (it is in my partnerships). I could be wrong.

I trade off being able to show a moderate 2 suiter in exchange for a huge hand single suiter holding clubs. I think I'm ahead from a frequency standpoint.

I don't think this is a big deal since many club single suiters (especially) solid can bid 3D or 3N directly over 2D.
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Posted 2006-May-22, 09:18

I can certainly understand why your partner would think that.

Wouldnt 3S suffice? You are not forced to bid here. So 3S should show a hand with values, and only promising 4 spades, allowing partner to further describe his hand.

Not that I am all that thrilled with the original X, but partner could just as easily have been on a 3 card spade suit for his original X, and 4S still may not be the best spot. On this auction I would expect spades to break 5-1 (if on a 4-3 fit) at a much higher frequency than normal.
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Posted 2006-May-22, 09:18

Josh: I thought ELC over preempts is fairly standard (it is in my partnerships). I could be wrong.

I trade off being able to show a moderate 2 suiter in exchange for a huge hand single suiter holding clubs. I think I'm ahead from a frequency standpoint.

I don't think this is a big deal since many club single suiters (especially) solid can bid 3D or 3N directly over 2D.
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Posted 2006-May-22, 09:22

Josh: I thought ELC over preempts is fairly standard (it is in my partnerships). I could be wrong.

I trade off being able to show a moderate 2 suiter in exchange for a huge hand single suiter holding clubs. I think I'm ahead from a frequency standpoint.

I don't think this is a big deal since many club single suiters (especially) solid can bid 3D or 3N directly over 2D.
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Posted 2006-May-22, 09:24

Is there an echo in here? :D
Is the word "pass" not in your vocabulary?
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