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Pass or pull @ matchpoints

Poll: pass or pull? (26 member(s) have cast votes)

pass or pull?

  1. 3[sp] (6 votes [23.08%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.08%

  2. pass (20 votes [76.92%])

    Percentage of vote: 76.92%

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#1 User is offline   whereagles 

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Posted 2005-November-11, 04:13

Matchpoints, adv opps, you hold
Scoring: MP

RHO you LHO pard
pass 1 pass 1
2 .. 2 . 3 dbl
pass ..?

Pard's double is for penalties (it doesn't need to be KQJT, though). Pass or pull?
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Posted 2005-November-11, 04:22

3: this says: partner I don't have 's, I have more then I promised till now (otherwise I would bid 3). Please choose between 3 and 4.
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Posted 2005-November-11, 04:27

Hi,

3S, which I should have bid the
round before, maybe going over
2NT, if a direct bid would be forcing,
now partner wont believe me,
that I am inviting to game.

With kind regards
Marlowe
With kind regards
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Posted 2005-November-11, 05:46

I pass. There are better ways to end a partnership than insulting partner with pulling his penalty double.

I don't mind if passing is a losing decision here. In a long term it seems right, unless you support with 3 cards only.

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Posted 2005-November-11, 05:52

I would have bid 3S last round.
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Posted 2005-November-11, 06:04

4, it must have a chance if partner is not minimum. I would have bid 3 on the previous round and I guess partner would have bid game.
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Posted 2005-November-11, 09:06

2S is one of the grossest underbids I've seen. That being said, I am glad I did it because I will confidently pass this X. I trust my partner, and when he Xs them after they have bid and raised a suit, he has trumps. I have AK A in the suit we did not bid and raise, and I will happily pass. I expect a big number, and consider a pull here an insult.
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Posted 2005-November-11, 12:07

This could be 500 or so, altho 300 may be all we get. I am very happy to be on lead. Almost happy enough to overcome the nausea induced by seeing that the 3 bidding card I intended to put down a round earlier is still in the bidding box.

I have all this stuff and partner doubled, expecting me to hold a slightly weaker hand? I think my K makes up for any missing (which in any event may be resting nicely in partner's hand). I am going to tell partner I was setting a trap with my 2 underbid ;)

Oh... my answer is.... Pass
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Posted 2005-November-11, 12:16

Partner's bid screams that he has both 4 poor spades and 4 or more goodish clubs.

I'd expect this hand.

9xxx
Kx
xxx
AQ9x

Pass and expect to beat it 2 tricks.
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Posted 2005-November-11, 15:04

Jlall, on Nov 11 2005, 10:06 AM, said:

2S is one of the grossest underbids I've seen. That being said, I am glad I did it because I will confidently pass this X. I trust my partner, and when he Xs them after they have bid and raised a suit, he has trumps. I have AK A in the suit we did not bid and raise, and I will happily pass. I expect a big number, and consider a pull here an insult.

Would 3C be appropriate with this hand or is 3S clearer and better?
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Posted 2005-November-11, 15:59

Al_U_Card, on Nov 11 2005, 04:04 PM, said:

Would 3C be appropriate with this hand or is 3S clearer and better?

3S is just right imo. 3C is too much and also doesnt promise spades initially.
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Posted 2005-November-11, 18:40

bidding 2 was dubious, but having to live with it I wouldn't let 3X play.
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Posted 2005-November-12, 06:46

I raised and partner still doubles for penalty? Pass for sure.
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Posted 2005-November-12, 11:49

Who called the reality police? If Whereeagles says its penalty, I happily pass.

BUT, do you play it that way in YOUR partnership? I sure don't. Doubles at the 3 level are cooperative, after we have raised. It says: I probably have 3 of their suit, and I am happy if you compete to 3 or if you want to defend 3 x'd. A typical hand is: Axxx, xx, Qxxx, Axx.

Do we miss out on the bonanza when pard holds a giant stack? Sure. But the frequency of the cooperative double is FAR more common.

I generally don't leave in cooperative doubles with a void, but there's a few appealing things to this hand; my quick tricks and my A across from pard's shortness. If its a short event, I'll pass, but if I'm in a qualifying situation I will certainly pull.

Of course this is a clear 3 call, even without the overcall.
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Posted 2005-November-12, 13:25

pclayton, on Nov 12 2005, 12:49 PM, said:

Who called the reality police? If Whereeagles says its penalty, I happily pass.

BUT, do you play it that way in YOUR partnership?

Yes, whereagles said it was penalties. This is also how I would play it in my partnership.

I don't see how you could ever "get" them with the hand you posted for a "cooperative" X. They have a fit, and the trumps are breaking 3-2. Will pard ever sit?
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Posted 2005-November-13, 01:16

Well, pard had

KJxx
xx
Jxx
QJ8x

as it happened, dummy had Txxx KQx Qxx Kxx. Declarer lost a club, a heart and 2 diamonds. Draw your own conclusions :)
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Posted 2005-November-13, 01:24

whereagles, on Nov 13 2005, 02:16 AM, said:

Well, pard had

KJxx
xx
Jxx
QJ8x

as it happened, dummy had Txxx KQx Qxx Kxx. Declarer lost a club, a heart and 2 diamonds. Draw your own conclusions :)

the defense was really bad?
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Posted 2005-November-13, 02:43

for the sake of partnership harmony I pass -- as I do not have a good enough reason to pull it :)
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Posted 2005-November-14, 07:57

My conclusion is that partner led the Q, can't see any otherr way of making this contract.
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Posted 2005-November-14, 08:29

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2S is one of the grossest underbids I've seen.


Was about to write the same before I read the other posts.
Of course I agree.

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That being said, I am glad I did it because I will confidently pass this X. I trust my partner, and when he Xs them after they have bid and raised a suit, he has trumps. I have AK A in the suit we did not bid and raise, and I will happily pass. I expect a big number, and consider a pull here an insult.


Yes but I would be very nervous.
The previous underbid left me in an awkward guessing position, e.g. if we set them much we are likely to have slam on, whereas if we have 4S, there are good chances that we set them only 2 tricks.
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