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Simple style / tactics question

Poll: Your call at MP's - 3rd seat (45 member(s) have cast votes)

Your call at MP's - 3rd seat

  1. Pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 1 Spade (35 votes [77.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 77.78%

  3. 2 Spades (7 votes [15.56%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.56%

  4. 3 Spades (3 votes [6.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  5. Other (explain) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   pclayton 

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Posted 2005-October-04, 20:07

You are Vul, the opponents are not. You are 3rd seat after two passes and pick up:

Scoring: MP


Your call please. Thanks.
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Posted 2005-October-04, 20:49

1S in most partnerships.

2S in "Chicken EHAA" :)

I sympathize with a 2S bid in any system.

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Posted 2005-October-04, 21:02

1s

One level bids can often have more preemptive power than 2 level bids.
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Posted 2005-October-04, 23:04

1S. I like to bid 2S sometimes with heavy hands in third seat, but this one offers too much game potential and is also risky to open 2S (given the poor suit) when you don't have to.
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Posted 2005-October-04, 23:18

Jlall, on Oct 5 2005, 07:04 AM, said:

1S. I like to bid 2S sometimes with heavy hands in third seat, but this one offers too much game potential and is also risky to open 2S (given the poor suit) when you don't have to.

Interesting. Opposite what some of my partner's expect for a vul vs not weak 2, I am rather worried about them driving to game when it is hopeless. (I am exaggerating, but for me 2♠ is definitely not an underbid.)
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Posted 2005-October-05, 01:21

1 ♠ is fine, if partner raises, I would compete up to 3 ♠.

If not then up until 2 ♠.


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Posted 2005-October-05, 01:47

Bidding 2♠ here. Might try 1♠ if opps look bored to death, or if they are trigger-happy.

Missing out on a game is the least of my worries :)
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Posted 2005-October-05, 03:27

I can't vote, you don't have enough options. I estimate I would open

1S 80% of the time
2S 18% of the time
Other (3S? Pass? 1H? 1NT?) 2% of the time

depending on my mood, the opposition, the general standard of event, my score so far....
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Posted 2005-October-05, 03:44

Agree with Frances on this. Might bid either 1♠ or 2♠ depending on who am I playing, who is my partner, what heat I'm in, what heat partner is in, etc.

However I would more often than not open 2♠. I'm not worried about missing game since 2♠ at this vuln shows a good hand, 2 top honors and something on the side as well so partner can ask for singleton with maximum fitting passes.
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Posted 2005-October-05, 04:01

2♠. I would not bid that at IMPs, but at matchpoints I will have to bid 2♠ eventually so opening 2♠ is best tactic.
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Posted 2005-October-05, 04:03

This is a very good point. Some argue that opening 2♠ is too dangerous. Think of it, opening 1♠ might be dangerous also!

The auction to watch out for is:

1♠ p 1NT p
2♠ x p p
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Posted 2005-October-05, 04:39

Always will open 1 ♠....my p can be 10 or 11 points and we can always loose the contract of 4♠ if i open with 2♠.

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Posted 2005-October-05, 04:40

i'd open 3♠ and i see i'm the only one... oh well...
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  Posted 2005-October-05, 05:29

I'm with Frances and Gerben on this one. For one thing, always bidding the same thing on this sort of hand is likely to make me too predictable for the opponents. I think I'd probably open 2♠ a little over half the time.
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Posted 2005-October-05, 06:40

1♠ in first, second, third, fourth seat. This is a one spade opening hand, it is even better than minimum 1♠ opening, and opposite a fit/maxium pass, I can envision game. Opposite less (fit or otherwise), I hope my heart legnth/values and good spade suit will keep them from game.

Give partner something as pathetic as Kxxx Qxxx T9xxx x and you have good play for game, and clearly he can have more.
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Posted 2005-October-05, 06:45

I'd open 2S in 4th seat the majority of the time. It shows a hand like this.

p.s. give partner something as pathetic as Kxxx Qxx 109xxx x (only 13 cards) and it doesn't matter if you open 1S, 2S or 3S you will reach game.
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Posted 2005-October-05, 07:26

3♠
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Posted 2005-October-05, 07:39

1♠ and maybe sometimes 2♠ depending on opps, score .... but surely never 3♠ which is poker ! :P

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Posted 2005-October-05, 07:54

Blofeld, on Oct 5 2005, 06:29 AM, said:

I'm with Frances and Gerben on this one. For one thing, always bidding the same thing on this sort of hand is likely to make me too predictable for the opponents. I think I'd probably open 2♠ a little over half the time.

Predictable given that you have a partner is not a bad thing. He needs to know what to expect too.
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Posted 2005-October-05, 08:10

I had a very similiar hand in 4th Seat and opened it 2♠ but would open it 1♠ in any other seat.

As I play weak 2s for the 4th seat bid (a) do u alert and (:P how do u describe it?

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