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What happend in this hand? Try your bid

Poll: What do you bid? (29 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you bid?

  1. Pass (17 votes [58.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 58.62%

  2. Double (12 votes [41.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.38%

  3. 4 nt (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 5 clubs (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 5 diamonds (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. 5 hearts (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   omeroj 

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Posted 2005-October-05, 16:49

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WEST open 1♠ x 4♠...and you? what do u bid on 4 ♠?


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Posted 2005-October-05, 16:58

pass. Sadly, X is not penalty, it shows about 10 working points. I have 0 working points, so that's no good. If I X, since pard is surely void, he will likely bid 4N or 5 of something. Passing and going plus is not a terrible thing, and sometimes he'll reopen with a X himself.
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Posted 2005-October-05, 17:02

Pass I guess, double would be for TO concentrating on the minors.
I will pass if pd doubles again, but otherwise I will just go for the plus.

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Posted 2005-October-05, 17:09

Double for penalties. Sometimes it's nice to have simple agreements :)

"Pass I guess, double would be for TO concentrating on the minors."

If double is the minors, what is 4NT?

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Posted 2005-October-05, 17:09

i passed also, and also because x isn't penalty... my real worry is that partner bids 4nt next time... then i'll have to bid 5D i guess... but he *might* double again.. if he passes, at least we should go positive

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Posted 2005-October-05, 17:11

X is just values. Sometimes you have a hand such as xx Kxxx Axxx QJx where you must X to say "pard it's our hand and I have some working values." It doesn't really concentrate on any suits, and pard will usually pass unless he has some extra shape. With a void he will almost always pull.
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Posted 2005-October-05, 17:14

Now 4 votes for dbl and 4 for pass...i see that isn't a simple bid:)))

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Posted 2005-October-05, 17:33

Pass

Double would show what Kokish (and others) call 'transferable values': that is: cards that are useful both offensively and defensively: aka 'cards'.

Partner is permitted to pull such a double, and we definitely cannot stand that :)

So Pass, in tempo if at all possible. You may get a chance to pass again ;)

Why play this style?

Because experience (of those who collectively advocate this style) suggests that the pure penalty double is a rare creature compared to the ability to announce the 'cards' type of double. As an example, I cannot ever remember holding this kind of ♠ suit on this auction. But I have often held something like xxx KQx Axxx Qxx or a hand such as Justin posted:

On this hand, I need to announce ownership, yet cannot afford to commit to the 5-level in a suit.


Partner will usually pass but is permitted to bid. In this way it is similar to auctions such as (4♠) dble (P) ? 4th chair usually passes, even tho (for most) the double was not penalty. 4th chair only bids if he thinks that he can handle a 5-level, or higher, spot.
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Posted 2005-October-05, 18:48

I play responsive doubles through 7♥, so thats out.

If I was playing with my Aunt, then I'd double.

If playing with one of my regular pards I would pass in tempo and hope for a reopening double. I'm probably not getting one since pard is void and won't double for fear of a leave-in. I'm expecting 4N which I will pull to 5♦ (although passing is tempting).
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Posted 2005-October-05, 19:20

Adam insists on only playing responsive doubles through 2♠, so we have a clear double (it is penalty) here. yeay! :lol:
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Posted 2005-October-05, 19:31

Pass... double is for takeout.
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Posted 2005-October-05, 19:55

pbleighton, on Oct 5 2005, 06:09 PM, said:

Double for penalties. Sometimes it's nice to have simple agreements :lol:

"Pass I guess, double would be for TO concentrating on the minors."

If double is the minors, what is 4NT?

Peter

Agree with Peter.
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Posted 2005-October-06, 04:04

eheh again 8-8 who will win?

The double?
Or the pass?

Make your vote pls:)

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Posted 2005-October-06, 04:10

It's not a question of who will "win". It's simply a question of what you & your partner have agreed the double means.

If I were playing with someone I didn't know, I would have to pass, because making a penalty double and having it interpreted as take-out will be very expensive here.
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Posted 2005-October-06, 04:33

Do you folks play 4NT as generic 2 suited takeout here ?
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Posted 2005-October-06, 05:00

Chamaco, on Oct 6 2005, 12:33 PM, said:

Do you folks play 4NT as generic 2 suited takeout here ?

Yes.

Partner is likely to be void so he will pull a double. So I pass.
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Posted 2005-October-06, 05:48

luke warm, on Oct 5 2005, 06:09 PM, said:

wb mike

TY :D It's going to be fun on the forums again.

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Posted 2005-October-06, 06:35

Pass of course :blink:
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Posted 2005-October-06, 08:22

Chamaco, on Oct 6 2005, 05:33 AM, said:

Do you folks play 4NT as generic 2 suited takeout here ?

I do.
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Posted 2005-October-06, 08:26

Pass on this hand, 4NT as a generic 2-suiter. Why isn't this unanimous?
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