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Here we see the same "philosophy" as in #820 immediately above, as East leads a club from Q986 rather than a diamond from A10432. Not surprisingly, the GIBBO robots scored very poorly on BOTH this hand and the one above.
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Benellis58 GIB bashing on repeat Groundhog Day
#822
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Posted Today, 10:16
We scored 100 % on this board for 6NT plus an overtrick, but that does NOT excuse the repulsive, ridiculous 2C structure used by GIBBO and it does not excuse the ubiquitous lack of bidding shill by the reprehensible and thoroughly despicable GIBBO robots.
The GIBBO treatment of a 2NT response to partner's 2C opening is and always has been a masterpiece of stupidity, as illustrated by the GIB definition: "Positive NT - 2-5 clubs; 2-5 diamonds; 2-4 hearts; 2-4 spades; 8+ HCP". What is the RUSH to waste the entire two level of bidding space to state this virtually useless and largely uninformative parcel of BILGE?
"2-5 clubs" and "2-5 diamonds". So WHAT? Who CARES? It's vague, wide-ranging, and tells us NOTHING useful.
"2-4 hearts" and "2-4 spades". What, in the GIBBO system, would he do with a flattish hand, 8+ HCP, but a FIVE-card major not "good enough" by GIBBO standards and definitions to make a positive response in that major? 2D, I assume (?) - the SAME call that he SHOULD make INSTEAD of 2NT on MANY of the hands where he foolishly responds 2NT in their miserable joke of a system!
"8+ HCP". So...he COULD have 8...or he COULD (theoretically) have 37, since no upper limit is specified. Oh yeah, THAT'S useful - NOT!
This system is wretched not only because it wastes an entire level of bidding room while saying NOTHING useful, but also because:
One: It can easily wrongside the contract by making the weaker hand the declarer, since NT will often be the strain selected.
Two: It often makes the WEAKER hand "captain", contrary to all logic!
Three: It makes it harder to find suit fits, especially 4-4 major suit fits.
Four: It leads to a lot of guessing...when a better system would either ELIMINATE the guessing or would at least make it "educated" guessing.
As always, although I have total, unreserved contempt for the bridge "abilities" of the GIBBO robots, I do sympathize with them, because it must be REALLY difficult to bid well when you are tightly locked into the straitjacket of one of the most unworkable and antiquated bidding systems in the history of the game.
Here, after North's systemic but stupid 2NT call, I, as South, first did what I always do when this BLEMISH of an auction arises: I cursed the GIBBO system and the GIBBO robots. Then I checked various definitions to see my bidding options in the disreputable and tarnished GIBBO system. As expected, the GIB definitions I saw were laughably, hopelessly bad - the type of trash that I sadly EXPECT to see every time I read a GIB definition.
If I bid 3NT, it would show EXACTLY 22 HCP. If I bid 4NT it would show 23-24 HCP. Note that if North had responded 2D instead of the incredibly stupid 2NT, I could have bid 2NT showing 22-24 and we could have easily and comfortably had a good, scientific auction...AND we could have comfortably STOPPED in 2NT or 3NT if either had seemed right. But HERE...with the SAME 23 or 24 that I could have shown by bidding (only) TWO no trump over 2D, I must now...LEAP...to FOUR no trump, which once in a while will be too high.
Furthermore, on the actual hand, I had twenty-FIVE HCP, but even a leap to FOUR no trump only showed a maximum of twenty-FOUR, whereas had North bid 2D rather than 2NT, in any DECENT system I could EASILY have shown 25 HCP either through "Kokish" (aka "Birthright") OR, more primitively, by bidding 3NT over 2D. Yet in the MIRACULOUSLY inefficient and astoundingly unworkable 2C structure stupidly played by the GIBBO robots, you are UNABLE to show your hand cheaply or effectively. Garbage is garbage, and the GIBBO 2C structure is indeed garbage of the worst, foulest, rankest sort imaginable.
I made the best of a bad lot by bidding 4NT, showing "only" 23-24 when I actually had 25. The ox in the North accepted, leaping to 6NT. His call was defined as showing "10-12 HCP", although...of COURSE...his bid not match his own GIB definition, since he had "only" 9. As I have so often said (sigh!), either have the robots respect their own definitions, or...better yet...CHANGE the pathetic definitions!
As you can see, North's stupid 2NT response in the stupid GIBBO system DID wrongside the contract, as you would much rather - not surprisingly - declare from the "big" South side than from the "small" North side.
Fortunately, despite the wrongsiding and despite the atrocious auction and unforgivably bad system, we took all 13 tricks. The heart king was onside, but that still brought us up to only 12. How did we take a 13th? Simple . We were wise enough to have two GIBBO robots "defending" against us, and the total REJECT in the West chair...PITCHED DOWN to a STIFF queen of clubs! They, their system, their definitions - they ALL rot!
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The GIBBO treatment of a 2NT response to partner's 2C opening is and always has been a masterpiece of stupidity, as illustrated by the GIB definition: "Positive NT - 2-5 clubs; 2-5 diamonds; 2-4 hearts; 2-4 spades; 8+ HCP". What is the RUSH to waste the entire two level of bidding space to state this virtually useless and largely uninformative parcel of BILGE?
"2-5 clubs" and "2-5 diamonds". So WHAT? Who CARES? It's vague, wide-ranging, and tells us NOTHING useful.
"2-4 hearts" and "2-4 spades". What, in the GIBBO system, would he do with a flattish hand, 8+ HCP, but a FIVE-card major not "good enough" by GIBBO standards and definitions to make a positive response in that major? 2D, I assume (?) - the SAME call that he SHOULD make INSTEAD of 2NT on MANY of the hands where he foolishly responds 2NT in their miserable joke of a system!
"8+ HCP". So...he COULD have 8...or he COULD (theoretically) have 37, since no upper limit is specified. Oh yeah, THAT'S useful - NOT!
This system is wretched not only because it wastes an entire level of bidding room while saying NOTHING useful, but also because:
One: It can easily wrongside the contract by making the weaker hand the declarer, since NT will often be the strain selected.
Two: It often makes the WEAKER hand "captain", contrary to all logic!
Three: It makes it harder to find suit fits, especially 4-4 major suit fits.
Four: It leads to a lot of guessing...when a better system would either ELIMINATE the guessing or would at least make it "educated" guessing.
As always, although I have total, unreserved contempt for the bridge "abilities" of the GIBBO robots, I do sympathize with them, because it must be REALLY difficult to bid well when you are tightly locked into the straitjacket of one of the most unworkable and antiquated bidding systems in the history of the game.
Here, after North's systemic but stupid 2NT call, I, as South, first did what I always do when this BLEMISH of an auction arises: I cursed the GIBBO system and the GIBBO robots. Then I checked various definitions to see my bidding options in the disreputable and tarnished GIBBO system. As expected, the GIB definitions I saw were laughably, hopelessly bad - the type of trash that I sadly EXPECT to see every time I read a GIB definition.
If I bid 3NT, it would show EXACTLY 22 HCP. If I bid 4NT it would show 23-24 HCP. Note that if North had responded 2D instead of the incredibly stupid 2NT, I could have bid 2NT showing 22-24 and we could have easily and comfortably had a good, scientific auction...AND we could have comfortably STOPPED in 2NT or 3NT if either had seemed right. But HERE...with the SAME 23 or 24 that I could have shown by bidding (only) TWO no trump over 2D, I must now...LEAP...to FOUR no trump, which once in a while will be too high.
Furthermore, on the actual hand, I had twenty-FIVE HCP, but even a leap to FOUR no trump only showed a maximum of twenty-FOUR, whereas had North bid 2D rather than 2NT, in any DECENT system I could EASILY have shown 25 HCP either through "Kokish" (aka "Birthright") OR, more primitively, by bidding 3NT over 2D. Yet in the MIRACULOUSLY inefficient and astoundingly unworkable 2C structure stupidly played by the GIBBO robots, you are UNABLE to show your hand cheaply or effectively. Garbage is garbage, and the GIBBO 2C structure is indeed garbage of the worst, foulest, rankest sort imaginable.
I made the best of a bad lot by bidding 4NT, showing "only" 23-24 when I actually had 25. The ox in the North accepted, leaping to 6NT. His call was defined as showing "10-12 HCP", although...of COURSE...his bid not match his own GIB definition, since he had "only" 9. As I have so often said (sigh!), either have the robots respect their own definitions, or...better yet...CHANGE the pathetic definitions!
As you can see, North's stupid 2NT response in the stupid GIBBO system DID wrongside the contract, as you would much rather - not surprisingly - declare from the "big" South side than from the "small" North side.
Fortunately, despite the wrongsiding and despite the atrocious auction and unforgivably bad system, we took all 13 tricks. The heart king was onside, but that still brought us up to only 12. How did we take a 13th? Simple . We were wise enough to have two GIBBO robots "defending" against us, and the total REJECT in the West chair...PITCHED DOWN to a STIFF queen of clubs! They, their system, their definitions - they ALL rot!
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