[luke warm]

hrothgar, on Jun 3 2005, 12:22 PM, said:

luke warm, on Jun 3 2005, 08:41 PM, said:

that's true... of all the auctions given, i much prefer mine... think maybe i'm a little prejudiced? heheh

given that you prefer this auction to one where relay asker knows RR's precise shape and all of his top controls I'd say that you qualify as VERY prejudiced...

Relay has its pluses and minuses, but its rarely beat identifying slams during uncontested auction...

but i do know his controls.. even the ♣Q... i also know he has 6 hearts, tho you're right about the exact dist.. however, i know he has 2+ spades, 2+ diamonds... as for exact dist, i know he has no 4 card suit, so he's 3631, 2632, 3622, or 2623 with the ♠A, ♥A, and ♦K

but you're right, i am prejudiced.. i'll work on it

[Winstonm]

[QUOTE]7H(based on the club queen, huge card. If pard had weak clubs he would have bid 3N over 3S to try and get you to cue the club king).

Justin, an idea I picked up years ago from Mike Lawrence's writings and it fits well with the concept of 2/1 on almost always 5-card suits is that a cue bid by opener in responder's suit is like "secondary support", Qxx, Qx, KQx, something in that order. If you have this agreement, the club Q is no longer a "guess" for either partner.

It has served me well in slam bidding.

WinstonM

[Antoine Fourrière]

My system might bid:

1♥ 2♣
2N 3♣
3♦ 3♥
4♦ 4♠
5♦ 5♠
6♣ 7♥

1♥: normal, but never 5332, hence a 2N rebid is free
2♣: clubs or balanced, but not invitational with long clubs (would bid 3♣), hence a 3♣ rebid is free
2N: one-suiter
3♣: balanced GF relay (3♥ would be NF, usually balanced but sometimes with a singleton and five good clubs (otherwise answer 1N), and other bids would suggest real clubs)
3♦: no shortness (won't be able to know whether opener has three clubs)
3♥: forcing, and a bit lazy, since 3♠ could be defined as showing good clubs
4♦: positive with internal strength in diamonds, usually the King (K>AQ>QJ), since clubs haven't been emphasized enough; denies both the ♠K and the ♣K
4♠: BW
5♦: two keys without the ♥Q, which is why an unsupported ace shouldn't be cue-bid IMO (the ♠A was bound to be useful anyway and is now known, and a slam which has twelve tricks if the opponents fail to cash their AK is about average)
5♠: GSF
6♣: can't show the King



For those who play strong jump shifts, the auction could start 1♥ 3♣ 4♣...

[Fluffy]

I never played a strong ♣ system, but I guess if I did 2/1 would be GF and everything would be the same:


S:1♥
N:2♣ (NAT Gf)
S:2♥ (6+♥)
N:3♥ (Sets ♥ as trump)
S:3♠ cue
N:4♣ cue
S:4♦ cue
N:4NT RCKB
S:5♥ 2 without Q
N:6♣ asks about ♣ holding
S:6♦ second round control
N:7♥ arrived.