[inquiry]

The official voting is now closed. The other six hands will be posted now.

Scoring: IMP

BPO-001-B
Your bid, as dealer?

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[hrothgar]

Pass.

The hand evaluates as 11.55 on the K+R point scale. This is significantly weaker that the 12.5 points required for an 1st/second seat opening bid in a 2/1 system.

Equally significant, the hand has awkward rebid problems after a 1H opening. If forced to open this hand, I would chose a 1S opening.

[pclayton]

I opened it 1♥. While the hand has some rebid issues (tougher if my minors are 2-2) I have a decent 11, 7 losers and both majors. if I had the minors I'd pass.

I have a sneaking respect for an opening bid of 1♦!

Pass is an option, but I don't know that this hand will be any easier to describe later, and I might get shut out.

[luke warm]

1♥ was my vote... (another one i'd like to open canape )

[mike777]

1H


Yes, over 2D I am going to reverse with 2S.
Yes, If partner rebids 3S over 2S I get to cuebid 4C (often 11-13, with more start with serious 3nt).
So with hand people will pass I get to open, reverse and cuebid on.

Look forward to flannery and pass posts.

[awm]

I'll pass. I don't feel compelled to open all 11-point hands. I agree with hrothgar that this doesn't evaluate to a very good hand.

In addition, there are some serious rebid problems. After 1♥-1NT, I will be forced to rebid 2♦ on a three-card suit, which could easily lead to a poor contract (either in diamonds or in hearts on a 5-2 with bad trumps). After a 2/1 call, assuming reverses show extras (which seems to be the standard), I will be forced to bid this awful heart suit for a second time. Finally, if opponents end up declaring... do I really want to see partner's heart lead?

I doubt we will miss a game here if I pass and let partner open the bidding. If opponents bid, I may have an opportunity to double clubs for takeout later in the auction (a far better description of this hand than a 1♥ bid I think).

[flytoox]

hrothgar, on May 5 2005, 06:22 PM, said:

Pass.

The hand evaluates as 11.55 on the K+R point scale. This is significantly weaker that the 12.5 points required for an 1st/second seat opening bid in a 2/1 system.

Equally significant, the hand has awkward rebid problems after a 1H opening. If forced to open this hand, I would chose a 1S opening.

Quite surprised to find you pass it. This is the hand where expectation of other's choice may change my choice. I would pass but voted for opening 1H.

[hrothgar]

flytoox, on May 5 2005, 10:33 PM, said:

hrothgar, on May 5 2005, 06:22 PM, said:

Pass.

The hand evaluates as 11.55 on the K+R point scale. This is significantly weaker that the 12.5 points required for an 1st/second seat opening bid in a 2/1 system.

Equally significant, the hand has awkward rebid problems after a 1H opening. If forced to open this hand, I would chose a 1S opening.

Quite surprised to find you pass it. This is the hand where expectation of other's choice may change my choice. I would pass but voted for opening 1H.

Shouldn't be at all surprising...

I very much believe that standard 2/1 systems should be based on relatively sound openings in first second seat. This also explains why I HATE playing standard 2/1 systems. I believe that it is losing bridge to be forced to pass with these types of hands... however, I'm not going to violate the system that has been forced on me.

[Free]

1♥, but it's imo still a matter of style, not just the system...

[jillybean]

inquiry, on May 5 2005, 11:13 AM, said:

The official voting is now closed. The other six hands will be posted now.

Scoring: IMP

BPO-001-B
Your bid, as dealer?

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1♥

[Fluffy]

pclayton, on May 5 2005, 06:24 PM, said:

I have a sneaking respect for an opening bid of 1♦!

I did as well, but I was sure that 1♦ woudln't be followed by much (if any) panelists.

[HeartA]

I voted for pass.

[inquiry]

Free, on May 5 2005, 04:23 PM, said:

1♥, but it's imo still a matter of style, not just the system...

Well there are other factors for making a bid beside counting high card points (or even ZAR points). This hand has a few additional things you might consider before bidding or passing... and these things make more than a system question (as you correctly noted), but more than style (if I think I know what you mean by that word), too.

[Double !]

I bid 1♥

lol, when I first saw the hand I thought the purpose was to survey how many might lament not playing Flannery. It's imps, right? I'm pushy at imps when I hold the majors.

[pclayton]

Jlall, on May 5 2005, 01:45 PM, said:

1D opener? come on please... why would anyone admire a hand that COMPLETELY distorts your hand, DESTROYS partnership trust, and makes it less likely that you will get to the right contract than either a pass or a 1H opener, both of which are attempts to describe your hand accurately and play bridge. If someone opened 1D I would take that to mean that they are so bad at bridge they cannot win unless they mastermind on every board and randomize things.

I really wouldn't be hard on my pard if he opened 1♦. Perhaps there isn't a hand where I would open a diamond on a 4=5=3=1, but I'd sure think about it with: AQxx, 65432, AKx, x.

I've never heard of the concept before. Just because we haven't, does that mean its wrong?

Justin - masterminding is a pretty strong word to use.

[shoeless]

1 heart - length before strength - think the hand is worthy of opening with 11 and a stiff with no hc value in the stiff - I see no rebid issue here.

[han]

Rebid issue is after a possible forcing 1NT bid.

I would open 1H with some partners, I pass with others. I really can't answer this question.

[P_Marlowe]

1H.

Altough it is close, and I would not be surprised,
if I discover, that my actual vote was Pass.
Pass may be necessary, if one is playing 2/1,
which is the proposed system.
because I will feel very uneasy, if partner forces to
game with a flat 13 count, which he should do.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Gerben42]

Pass is certainly out. 1♦ treating the ♥ as a 4-card suit? Perhaps.
1♥ surely is the system bid, should I therefore make it?

As Kaplan inversion is unfortunately not part of the system, I will try 1♠. This is what I want lead, and a 4-3 fit in that will play well.