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This one was too difficult to solve BW May 2005

#1 User is online   mike777 

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Posted 2005-April-20, 10:50

The Bridge World May 2005

VUL//MP
SOUTH BIDS DIAMONDS;


A=KJ73=653=KQT65 (DEALER EAST)


KQ843=AQ2=Q74=J7 (WEST)

I get to 3nt on this one in SAYC, 2/1 and Canape strong club.
Does your partnership do better?
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Posted 2005-April-20, 10:54

I remember a couple of hands of similar situation. I opened and an opp (my lho) overcalled. Then with an unfit hand and 3 small of opp's suit on both hands, I was pushed to game no matter how I tried to sign off before game.
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Posted 2005-April-20, 12:43

I have to confess I have bigger worries than staying out of a no-play 27 hcp game with two nice 7-card fits...

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Posted 2005-April-20, 13:19

I would also end up in 3nt and not worry about it.

I haven't put any time into flushing it out, but I would like to try a canape opening system with a weak 1nt. I may be resulting, but wouldn't that go something like:

1♥ - 2♦ - 2♠ - P
3♣ - P - 3♥* - P
?

* I like the moysian fit with my AQ better than the Qxx stopper. Is this bad?
? probably pass. Some may go on to 4♥


I guess another possibility is to bid 3♦ instead of 3♥ to ask for a stopper and then west has make the pass raise decision over the 3♥ response
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Posted 2005-April-20, 14:26

3N doesn't seem to be too bad anyway.

Anyone that doesn't get to 3N or 4H has a wire on the board.
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Posted 2005-April-20, 15:29

Indeed, all you need in 3NT is either opponents holding J109 tight of spades (or a 4-card overcall).

I hope I would get this one wrong too.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2005-April-20, 17:18

canape strong club:

1♥ : 1nt
2♣ : 2s (game forcing now)
3♦ (help here?) : 3nt or, probably, 4♥

i could not fault west for bidding 4♥ instead of 3nt, and i'd almost surely do that myself, especially if matchpoints

2/1 (my way, which is canape when hearts is opened ;)):

1♥ : 1♠
2♣ : 2♦*
3♣ : 4♥
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Posted 2005-April-20, 17:23

It's hard to imagine that the auction would go much differently if east held the club ace instead of the club king (and maybe a small heart instead of the jack). 3NT is pretty decent opposite such a hand. So I wouldn't worry too much about this one. The only auction I can come up with to avoid game in standard methods is something like:

1♣-(1♦)-1♠-2♣-2♦-2♥-2NT-Pass

But I'm not convinced that's particularly realistic bidding.
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Posted 2005-April-20, 21:54

There's one other possibility. Were I to open 2♣ (precision), over 2♦, I suggest only that it is possible, however unlikely, that partner could double (negative) rather than a normal 2♠. So then the auction may proceed ...(2♦) - X - (P) - 2♥ - (P) - 2♠ - (P) - 3♦* - (P) - 3♥** - (P) - P or 4♥

* - stopper ask
** - don't like Qxx, like the moysian.
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Posted 2005-April-21, 02:47

No.

We would reach 3NT as well.

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Posted 2005-April-21, 03:27

I think we have a chance with MIDMAC:

E S W N
1C 1D 1S p
2C p 2D p
2H p p p

1C: 1 or both 4card major, 9-19 HCP, 3+ controls
1S: natural
2C: no S support, 4H, 4/5C (E has only 12 points now, because of sin in partner's suit), 11-16 points.
2D: W could force to game with 2S, but with only 3 controls, total controls looks to be 6 which is not enough for 10 tricks. 2D is 4th suit
2H: no D stop, short S, minimum

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Posted 2005-April-21, 09:21

You need to be in 3N or 4H going off--bad result on this hand, but any system that lets you stay out of game on 27 HCP will have you missing laydown games.
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Posted 2005-April-21, 09:37

Last time I felt pleased at staying out of a game like this one, their suit was blocked and we lost a bundle of imps. So I predict that their diamond suit is distributed A opposite KJ109xx and we make 3NT. Or that South isn't playing WJOs/didn't think of it/thought his hand was too good and holds xxx xx AKJ10xx xx.
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