[gwnn]

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I am not saying that 5♦ was a great bid with this hand (it is hard to come up with a reasonable hand opposite which 5♦ makes in fact) but it should just be a sign off. partner should never raise it or pull it or anything. He preempted, I placed the final contract.

The description of 5♦ now says:
"5D%7Can%7C%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5S%7Can%7C7%2B%20%21S%3B%209-%20HCP%3B%2011%2B%20total%20points"
Which is I think "7+ diamonds, 20- HCP, 20+ total points." It should be "I wanna play 5♦. leave me alone. thanks."

[Bbradley62]

You are misreading the internal code. The only description provided for 5♦ is one blank space. In the segment you've posted, the "p" following the fourth "%7C" is LHO's pass, and the subsequent "5S" is partner's next bid. So, 5♦ is completely undefined.
"5D" call is 5D
"%7Can" start the description
"%7C%20" blank
"%7Cmb" move to the next bidder
"%7Cp" call is pass
"%7Cmb" move to the next bidder
"%7C5S" call is 5S
"%7Can" start the description
"%7C7%2B%20%21S%3B%209-%20HCP%3B%2011%2B%20total%20points" 7+♠; 9- HCP; 11+ total points

Edit: But, I agree with your suggestion as to what 5♦ should mean.

This post has been edited by Bbradley62: 2015-April-12, 14:50

[lycier]

Hi,Gwnn :
If you can give the travller of your hand to me,I would appriciate.
I wanna to check others details on the hand records.

[gwnn]

Hey Lycier, here it is: http://www.bridgebas...0&username=gwnn

[gwnn]

Thanks for that, Bbradley! I had no idea what the link meant but I also no idea how little of an idea I had.

[Bbradley62]

I'm surprised that this GIB didn't raise to 7♦, given the description of 6♦:

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[gwnn]

WHOA. 30+

[Bbradley62]

Hopefully, that was from a sufficiently old version of GIB that it's been fixed.

[lycier]

This problem caused by incorrect explanations,strangely the explanations of Gwnn's 5♦ can't be seen.
By the traveller of his hand,it is very easy for us to find TPs' subjectivity and one-sidedness.
If Gib can overcome this one-sidedness,Gib will take a big step forward.

[steve2005]

I like description of 5♠ 7+♠. Gib forgot to open 3♠ with it's 7♠!

[Stephen Tu]

I don't really agree with the notion that 5♦ should be natural signoff. If I was playing with some random adv/expert partner, I'd think 5♦ was exclusion BW.

I would have bid 3♦ (new suit should be natural, forcing opposite preempt by default) then however many diamonds I wanted to bid, to play in diamonds.

[steve2005]

gwnn, on 2015-April-12, 15:01, said:

WHOA. 30+

How does one get 30+ TP is it even possible?

[Bbradley62]

steve2005, on 2015-April-12, 19:43, said:

I like description of 5♠ 7+♠. Gib forgot to open 3♠ with it's 7♠!

It's hard to open when your RHO deals and opens. GIB will sometimes open or jump overcall 2M with 7, so there's no inconsistency here.

[Bbradley62]

steve2005, on 2015-April-12, 19:53, said:

How does one get 30+ TP is it even possible?

37 is possible. Of course, opponent will seldom open at the 1 level when you have that.

[lycier]

gwnn, on 2015-April-12, 00:47, said:

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I am not saying that 5♦ was a great bid with this hand (it is hard to come up with a reasonable hand opposite which 5♦ makes in fact) but it should just be a sign off. partner should never raise it or pull it or anything. He preempted, I placed the final contract.

How deal with Gib?
How deal with Gwnn?
Who is to blame?
I think it should be Gib bidding explanations system !
The reasons:
1- Gib should be loyal bidding style,never "police" bidding style.
For this hand,after 5♦ ,Gib changed pd's contract into its own 5♠,5♠ is just a best evidence.
Its proposition of Gib explanations system is " Gib get players the best total solution",it is not "Gib make a decision for players"
What's the exact meanings of 5♦?
Actually,this is a very simple thing : To play !

Gib should allow its partner to bid up to any game or any slam,this is player's judgement and willingness.
So it is unnecessary for Gib to make a other decision for its partner .

2- How to avoid disaster?
Very simple, all the game bids or slam bids like Gwnn's 5♦ - bid-up-to-game or bid-up-to-slam style - are defined as " To play".
Here,I assume that Gwnn are willing to bid up to game or slam,these are :5♦,6♦ and 7nt.
There are some conversations on it.

1)- 5♦


5d says:I have a good long suit,my judgement is 5d will be a best contract on the earth.
Pd says:glp
How to explain 5♦?
Very simple,To play.

2)-6♦


6D says:I will hit the jackpot,please you pass at once.
Pd says:wonderful

How to explain 6♦?
Very simple,To play.

3)-7nt

7nt says: I want to dominate the earth !
Ps says: my god,are you crazy?
" Never,God be in my side !"
Now God can tell us that the explanations of 7nt is To play.

[gwnn]

Thanks for that! I will send this user guide to all my partners.