[diana_eva]

IMPs, random game on BBO. Random pd, no namyats or fancy agreements whatsoever.

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Would you raise, or do something here?

[P_Marlowe]

Pass.

Even in an established p, ... in my regular p, I guess I have to raise to 6S.
I am still waiting to see a 2nd red vs. green 4S opening bid in our partnership.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[Jinksy]

Pass, I think. Heart lead looks a little too easy for opps to find, even if I just blasted six, and P should have a robust suit, but could easily be missing the A or K, which will make 5♠ too high unless he does happen to have a heart control (which looks odds against).

[diana_eva]

I passed too. Pd wasn't happy, but before storming off he was kind enough to explain why I owed him a raise: "My 10 tricks + 2 aces = 12" Duh!!!

FWIW the field agreed, our table was the only one in game I know it's silly, but I learned something for random play

[cherdano]

diana_eva, on 2014-December-27, 10:10, said:

I passed too. Pd wasn't happy, but before storming off he was kind enough to explain why I owed him a raise: "My 10 tricks + 2 aces = 12" Duh!!!

FWIW the field agreed, our table was the only one in game I know it's silly, but I learned something for random play

Maybe, just maybe, the field didn't agree with your partner's 4♠ opening?

[eagles123]

Kqjtxxxx
kjx
X
X

Seems like obv 4s bid I wonder how ur p would react if he held that and u bid slam????

[diana_eva]

cherdano, on 2014-December-27, 10:31, said:

Maybe, just maybe, the field didn't agree with your partner's 4♠ opening?

Vast majority opened 4♠, but i think some went the slow route with a 1♠ opener. Partner had AKQ9xxxxx in spades and stiff ♥A. There were plenty 4♠ - 6♠ to support partner's theory.

EDIT: I found the hand and more people played it meanwhile. Now the most reached slam via a 2♣ opener!

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[eagles123]

4s lol

[P_Marlowe]

eagles123, on 2014-December-27, 11:07, said:

4s lol

Lets make the North hand more realistic, exchange the Ace of hearts with a small x,
4S is now a reasonable opening bid.
Besides, ... as long as we give opener a running spade suit, the slam may be on,
unless they lead hearts.
Having said this, playing with a random p, assuming he has a running suit is betting
with low odds of winning.

[diana_eva]

P_Marlowe, on 2014-December-27, 11:38, said:

Lets make the North hand more realistic, exchange the Ace of hearts with a small x,
4S is now a reasonable opening bid.

Yep. Was thinking same thing at the table, he didn't even need the HA for slam and 4S would be OK there.

[eagles123]

But kjtxxxxx kxx xx -

Is also 4s bid and even 4 level is far from safe.

Honestly think that if u open this kind of hand at 4 level u have to accept missing slam sometimes

[P_Marlowe]

eagles123, on 2014-December-27, 11:44, said:

But kjtxxxxx kxx xx -

Is also 4s bid and even 4 level is far from safe.

Honestly think that if u open this kind of hand at 4 level u have to accept missing slam sometimes

Yes, if this hand qualifies, which it would for lots of peoble, than pass is clear.
But you could sharpen the definition of your preempts in 2nd seat red vs. green, and than the hand
may only qualify for 3S or 2S.

[Jinksy]

I wouldn't consider opening the actual hand 4♠. If people want to do so, that's their decision, and could be a long-run winner (I doubt it). But if they miss a slam as a result, that's their cross to bear.

Never mind the hands eagles has been posting, with those outside kings bolstering them - I would consider eg

KQJTxxxx
xxx
-
xx

a WTP 4♠ in any seat except 4th at any vul.

[Trinidad]

P_Marlowe, on 2014-December-27, 11:38, said:

Lets make the North hand more realistic, exchange the Ace of hearts with a small x,
4S is now a reasonable opening bid.

In third or fourth seat, yes. Not in first and certainly not in second where there is a good chance that you will preempt your unlimited partner.

P_Marlowe, on 2014-December-27, 11:38, said:

Having said this, playing with a random p, assuming he has a running suit is betting
with low odds of winning.

I fully agree with this.

The whole thing becomes clear when you hear opener's comment: He thinks a 4♠ opening shows 10 top tricks.

Rik

[ggwhiz]

Trinidad, on 2014-December-27, 12:19, said:

In third or fourth seat, yes. Not in first and certainly not in second where there is a good chance that you will preempt your unlimited partner.

I fully agree with this.

The whole thing becomes clear when you hear opener's comment: He thinks a 4♠ opening shows 10 top tricks.

Rik

Yup. Remember this guy and DON'T double him.

[whereagles]

Pass.

4♠ may not even make!!! (♥AK, 2 trump losers)

[johnu]

diana_eva, on 2014-December-27, 10:10, said:

I passed too. Pd wasn't happy, but before storming off he was kind enough to explain why I owed him a raise: "My 10 tricks + 2 aces = 12" Duh!!!

LOL, your "partner" must have missed the beginner class on preempts, and the entire series on conduct and demeanor. You were definitely unlucky to get a less than random partner. Sometimes when you roll the dice, you roll craps.

[jillybean]

4♠ how sad. I see this often on BBO, I think it comes from playing with weaker players and feeling you have to mastermind every hand.

Diana, beware of these experts, but you knew that.

[lynx98]

lol 4s, for me and my p 4S is preemptive with AK in hand 7-10 pts. so i pass. bcs maybe he doesnt hv any diamond card so he cant play my diamond card.
but, if he hv 11 -15 pts, i think 1S is the best opening

[Smiles3usa]

I'd pass and explain why I passed I'd also ask what why he though that a preempt in second seat sufficiently described his hand. With the hand as shown, I can only see a 2!c opener. But I'd really like to hear why a 4!s opener is a decent option here -- I really cannot see it.