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Bidding Poll

Poll: Bidding Poll (55 member(s) have cast votes)

What would you bid ?

  1. 3 [sp] (28 votes [50.91%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 50.91%

  2. Pass (27 votes [49.09%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 49.09%

  3. Other (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   MrAce 

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Posted 2013-June-14, 01:06



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Posted 2013-June-14, 02:31

passing is pretty lame imo - we can still make game easily opposite a passed hand. the good news is we've got so much in clubs that partner's only options are likely to be pass and 4s.
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Posted 2013-June-14, 02:48

I think it's close. If we have game, partner will have enough to keep it open most of the time.
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Posted 2013-June-14, 03:03

Partner will raise me with Kxx, Kxx,Jxxxx,xx, so the most effective way to win the board shall be a 2 ♠ bid to try to ban partner.
As we are not allowed to do so, I will pass. The biggest downside is not the 5 % of games we miss, but some missed opportunities for 4 ♣ -1 or 3 ♠ made...
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Posted 2013-June-14, 04:36

Hoping to make game with this seems very optimistic to me. Opposite Kxx Axxx xxxx xx we're probably going off in 3♠. With Kxx AKxx xxxx xx we can make 3♠, but unfortunately we'll be in game. There's also a fair chance that he'll have a singleton club, and regard it as a positive feature - Kxx Axxx xxxxx x, for example, will raise to game.

For game to be good, we have to give him a hand where one of our quacks is useful, or he has ♠Axx to give us a finesse, eg Axx AQ10x xxxx xx or Axx Axxx Kxxx xx. I think that's asking too much, so I'd rather try to beat 3♣.

Also, if partner has a prime maximum with short clubs, he may protect with a double anyway.
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Posted 2013-June-14, 05:54

The problem with bidding 3S is partner will likely raise with any excuse, and LHO may have already become pleased with this 3S contract and gives us the whip in game minus 5-800 is not improbable imo. The only great thing about this hand is we have 6 trumps. Plus, partner is still there.
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Posted 2013-June-14, 06:18

Game seems remote. Even assuming the club hook, that only makes six tricks in my hand. Four tricks from a passed hand is too much to expect. So I pass. Also, if west has the goods they may land in too many clubs, for a plus score we probably can't get declaring.
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Posted 2013-June-14, 06:26

I think it's close. If we have game, partner will have enough to keep it open most of the time.
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*** Exactly.
Why bid if partner is reasonably likely to reopen to get us to 3S (where I want to play).
Of course WEASEL gets this right always: hesitate-3S to play; fast-3S to invite.
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Posted 2013-June-14, 09:21

Pass. Bidding seems pretty aggro to me with a passed partner and a pile of quacks. Give partner any two big cards, and I do not like our chances, unless there is something unique across. I know we might have a vulnerable game, but partner is still there and hopefully I haven't barred him.

If you bid what would you be more surprised at: -800 or +620?

If I were to step out, I'd bid 3N.
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Posted 2013-June-14, 09:40

The only call I was considering was on the next round..wondering if I could get a spade lead if I doubled Lefty's 3NT.
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Posted 2013-June-14, 09:56

Pass. Bidding is too optimistic with this. The bidders deserve a -800.
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Posted 2013-June-14, 10:04

Really low chances for game plus really high chances of pard raising 3♠.

Our partnership balances aggressively after which I can play in 3♠. If they don't I'm liking my chances of a plus score.

I agree with Phil in that 3nt would be a decent shot ONLY if pard reopens with double. 5 spades (6 on a good day) 2 clubs and whatever else they would have and we don't open as many 11 counts as others do.
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Posted 2013-June-14, 11:26



This was the full deal. Of course it doesn't prove anything but bidders would win this hand. Pass would probably lead to either +50 -110/130 in 3♣, or +50 in 4♥

When i first posted this, results of poll surprised me, it was overwhelmingly in favour of 3♠ and i thought this was not such a clear decision. Now i see passers caught and passed bidders.

Fwiw, i bid 3♠ at the table, but definetely not advocating that it is correct to do so.
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Posted 2013-June-14, 11:57

Close but I slightly prefer passing. Game is far away and passing give me reasonnable chance for a plus.
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Posted 2013-June-14, 12:10

Good defenders I think beat 3♣, but yes it's a freak to find partner with 5 spades.
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Posted 2013-June-14, 14:51

View PostCyberyeti, on 2013-June-14, 12:10, said:

Good defenders I think beat 3♣, but yes it's a freak to find partner with 5 spades.

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Posted 2013-June-14, 16:33

I would pass but mostly because of the bad shape and loser count.
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Posted 2013-June-14, 19:38

risk vs reward---rho has around 7 our 12 means if the remaining power is split
we own over half the deck. The problem is thats the best we can hope for.
At this vulnerability going -200 might not seem like a big deal but what if p
raises and the ensuing mayhem becomes -3x vul opposite maybe even setting
3c. The odds of making game are too small and the risk is huge. P may still be
able to get us to game if they can balance with a nice ten count and short clubs,
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Posted 2013-June-15, 03:55

What a turn-around - 3♠ was winning 8-1 in the poll when I first looked, but it has become a rout.

The way I see it, bidding 3♠ means you have not really thought it through, which is borne out by the kneejerk bids in this poll. :P
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Posted 2013-June-15, 04:23

View PostPhilKing, on 2013-June-15, 03:55, said:

The way I see it, bidding 3♠ means you have not really thought it through,

But I have 12 hcp!
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