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Your bid? How do you bid this monster?

Poll: What's your bid? (21 member(s) have cast votes)

What's your bid?

  1. Double (18 votes [85.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 85.71%

  2. 2NT (2 votes [9.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.52%

  3. 3H (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. 3S (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. 3NT (1 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

  6. 4H (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   bridgeboy 

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Posted 2004-December-24, 04:26

You hold

K2
AJ764
AQ9
AQ4

Matchpoints, All Vul you hear the bidding:

LHO deals and Pass Partner passes RHO opens 2S weak.

Your bid?

Is it different if it's imps?
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Posted 2004-December-24, 06:34

Dbl
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Posted 2004-December-24, 06:43

Playing with 14 cards ? :P
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Posted 2004-December-24, 09:07

2nt, systems on
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Posted 2004-December-24, 14:03

Assuming it is a 2533 shape and not the 14 cards shown, you have 3 possible bids:
3NT, X and 3H.

You can make an argument for all 3, but I would x on this hand first and bid 3H over partner's response.

If I have 4 H only in a 2443 shape, I bid 3NT.
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Posted 2004-December-24, 14:22

I double (regardless of shape 4432 or 5332).

In my methods 2NT is quite an underbid (16-18/19-).

So, in my view, the alternative left are 3NT and double.
In my opinion double is more flexible: I can get more info about pard's hand.

In response to my double, if LHO passes, pard can bid directly at 3 level to show a semipositive hand, or show a bad hand via 2NT Lebensohl.
If pard bids 2NT Lebensohl, I will refuse the puppet to 3 clubs and go to 3NT (this may lose if- and only if- pard was planning to show his 4 card heart suit after the puppet to 3C; refusing the puppet will lose the heart suit here).
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Posted 2004-December-24, 14:42

The_Hog, on Dec 24 2004, 10:03 PM, said:

Sorry Jimmy the hand is too good for 2NT

you're right, ron
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Posted 2004-December-24, 15:03

luke warm, on Dec 24 2004, 06:07 PM, said:

2nt, systems on

2NT is insane

You're too strong by a King
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Posted 2004-December-24, 17:13

i already agreed richard, but thx anyway
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Posted 2004-December-27, 06:21

Chamaco, on Dec 24 2004, 03:22 PM, said:

I double (regardless of shape 4432 or 5332).

In my methods 2NT is quite an underbid (16-18/19-).

So, in my view, the alternative left are 3NT and double.
In my opinion double is more flexible: I can get more info about pard's hand.

In response to my double, if LHO passes, pard can bid directly at 3 level to show a semipositive hand, or show a bad hand via 2NT Lebensohl.
If pard bids 2NT Lebensohl, I will refuse the puppet to 3 clubs and go to 3NT (this may lose if- and only if- pard was planning to show his 4 card heart suit after the puppet to 3C; refusing the puppet will lose the heart suit here).

Same for me concerning Lebensohl but I would bid 3♥ on 2NT and not 3NT !
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Posted 2004-December-27, 21:02

joker_gib, on Dec 27 2004, 07:21 AM, said:

Chamaco, on Dec 24 2004, 03:22 PM, said:

I double (regardless of shape 4432 or 5332).

In my methods 2NT is quite an underbid (16-18/19-).

So, in my view, the alternative left are 3NT and double.
In my opinion double is more flexible: I can get more info about pard's hand.

In response to my double, if LHO passes, pard can bid directly at 3 level to show a semipositive hand, or show a bad hand via 2NT Lebensohl.
If pard bids 2NT Lebensohl, I will refuse the puppet to 3 clubs and go to 3NT (this may lose if- and only if- pard was planning to show his 4 card heart suit after the puppet to 3C; refusing the puppet will lose the heart suit here).

Same for me concerning Lebensohl but I would bid 3♥ on 2NT and not 3NT !

what will your partner bid if he has no ♥ fit and no ♠ stopper?
so i think 3nt has more chance to succeed after lebensohl 2nt.
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  Posted 2004-December-28, 02:35

Dbl first!
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Posted 2004-December-28, 03:05

cnszsun, on Dec 27 2004, 10:02 PM, said:

what will your partner bid if he has no ♥ fit and no ♠ stopper?

3♠ of course !
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Posted 2004-December-28, 05:44

bridgeboy, on Dec 24 2004, 11:26 PM, said:

You hold

K2
AJ764
AQ9
AQ4

Matchpoints, All Vul you hear the bidding:

LHO deals and Pass Partner passes RHO opens 2S weak.

Your bid?

Is it different if it's imps?

double (TOO STRONG for 2NT)

I figure he will pick me for a reasonably strong hand, and even if ALL he has are 4+ ♠ will NOT pass for penalty but bid 2NT


SAME thing @ IMPS
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Posted 2004-December-28, 14:14

Easy double, I don´t see why should we bid NT when ♠ is our shortness.
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