[Fluffy]

♠AQJxx
♥-
♦AQJx
♣AJxx

pass-4♥-pass

our side vulnerable

[the hog]

Fluffy, on 2012-December-11, 17:54, said:

♠AQJxx
♥-
♦AQJx
♣AJxx

pass-4♥-pass

our side vulnerable

Thanks Fluffy! Well, we are vulnerable, so AQJ to 8 AKJ to 8? There is still a probable heart loser. Does partner have an outside K? Oh look, I am giving up, though we may well make 6 of course. If I moved what would I bid? 5H at this vul should be a slam suggestion I guess and not a further pre empt. Damn, I pass.

[ggwhiz]

6♥ for me,

Either the hearts come home or pard takes the right hook/ruffing hook. Not my problem as dummy anymore.

[PhilKing]

5♥ - "bid slam if your suit is at most one loser opposite a void". Slight punt, but just worth it on balance.

[bigbenvic]

Depends on what I know of my partner, would he open AQT (or KQT or KJT) to 8 with an outside King? If yes have we a method to find this out.

2nd Unfavourable isn't the time or place to get frisky so pards has a genuine (or very near!) 8pt hand. I have 3 certains and many chances of an extra, if his trumps are solid (1 loser or better) then 6 rolls home.

I liek 5♥ here to say I have the outsides covered, trumps are my worry bid on if they are good.

[SteveMoe]

Doesn't 4N find out what we want to know? Is partner likely to preempt on QJ10xxxxx and out in 2nd seat - the one place we need to be disciplined?

[Codo]

Unluckily for all 5 or 6 ♥ bidders, partner has x,KQJxxxx,Kxxx,x
But I have no idea how to reach spades or diamonds
I try 4 NT too... I will miss slam opposite KQJTxxxx and an outside card, but so be it.

[PhilKing]

SteveMoe, on 2012-December-11, 23:49, said:

Doesn't 4N find out what we want to know? Is partner likely to preempt on QJ10xxxxx and out in 2nd seat - the one place we need to be disciplined?

Say partner bids 5♣ showing one key card, what now? Asking for the queen is not enough. The jack and ten are critical as well.

Codo, on 2012-December-12, 03:11, said:

Unluckily for all 5 or 6 ♥ bidders, partner has x,KQJxxxx,Kxxx,x

Partner bids 6♦ over 5♥. Not underwritten, since we could be 5035, for instance, but surely a good shot.

[Fluffy]

partner had the nuts:

♠-
♥AKQJ10xx
♦Kxx
♣xxx

[Codo]

Wow, this was a heavy preempt, even for 2. seat red...

[rmnka447]

5 ♥ looking only at the responding hand. It has 3 sure cover cards plus possibilities in 2 suits for a 4th cover card with a successful finesse.

I expect partner to make a very solid preempt in 2nd seat unfavorable. Pard ought to have an 8 trick hand and will often have one with 9.

However, if your style is to always aggressively preempt, you have to pass and accept missing a slam as the price you occasionally pay for doing so.

[the hog]

Fluffy, on 2012-December-13, 05:17, said:

partner had the nuts:

♠-
♥AKQJ10xx
♦Kxx
♣xxx

I really dislike this opening. Not playing some form of Namyats, I would open 1H.

[squealydan]

the hog, on 2012-December-13, 23:21, said:

I really dislike this opening. Not playing some form of Namyats, I would open 1H.

"really dislike" doesn't come close to my view of it. Third seat I can live with, but in second? (Of course, half the folk at my bridge club would open it with whichever of 2C or 2D would show 8 playing tricks....)

[gwnn]

Fluffy, on 2012-December-13, 05:17, said:

partner had the nuts:

♠-
♥AKQJ10xx
♦Kxx
♣xxx

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[P_Marlowe]

6H

I saw the hand, red vs. green, in 2nd, this would even be too light for us,
in the end this comes down, what does a preempt promise at the given colors,
in the given position.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[SteveMoe]

PhilKing, on 2012-December-12, 04:28, said:

Say partner bids 5♣ showing one key card, what now? Asking for the queen is not enough. The jack and ten are critical as well.

Phil, having shown 1 Key card, would responder's return to 5♥ show interest in 6 if partner has extras? Partner knows I am not looking for an outside Key, because we don't preempt that way. Seems there is room for an inference that if ♥ are as good as KQJTxxx to bid 6?

This begins to feel like to much of a stretch....

[Free]

Fluffy, on 2012-December-13, 05:17, said:

partner had the nuts:

♠-
♥AKQJ10xx
♦Kxx
♣xxx

[ArtK78]

SteveMoe, on 2012-December-14, 15:11, said:

Phil, having shown 1 Key card, would responder's return to 5♥ show interest in 6 if partner has extras? Partner knows I am not looking for an outside Key, because we don't preempt that way. Seems there is room for an inference that if ♥ are as good as KQJTxxx to bid 6?

This begins to feel like to much of a stretch....

I don't know how to express how much I hate this idea.

4NT asks for key cards. It is not a general slam try of any sort. Partner answers the question and we place the contract.

Unless you want to spend eternity in front of an appeals committee.

Now, if your question was whether we want to bid slam knowing that we are off a key card, that is a different question.

Suppose you hold:

AKQ xxx AKQ KQJx

and partner opens 4♥ in second seat vul. You bid 4NT and partner shows 1 key card. You sign off in 5♥ and partner starts to think.....