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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2012-September-12, 14:49

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All vul, Match points. partner deals and it goes:

1♠-(pass)-2♠*-(3♥)
3♠-(4♥)-pass-(pass)
double-(pass)

2♠ is a constructive raise (8-10 balanced typically)
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Posted 2012-September-12, 17:34

I'm not sure what he'd have for his double, because if he had some sort of game try he would have doubled instead of 3♠, and if he wanted to defend hearts you'd think he'd pass. I'll wait to see what others say :-)
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Posted 2012-September-12, 18:07

pass. And thank partner for them misguessing the heart Q if that happens later.
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Posted 2012-September-12, 18:38

I'd marry pass, f--- compete, and kill pull.
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Posted 2012-September-12, 18:41

Pass, not close
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Posted 2012-September-12, 19:49

Pass. Expect partner to be 5=2=3=3 / 5=2=42 likely Hx in ♥s and probably 14-16 HCP. No doubt about this decision. Yes pard would have possibly opened 1N if 5=2=3=3 and 15-16.
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Posted 2012-September-12, 20:08

I pass. I have the ♥Q, and although my spades are many I expect partner to hold tricks elsewhere.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2012-September-12, 20:20

If he is just bidding because he has extra values and is balanced(ish), why didn't he make a game try over 3♥? I don't think he can have this hand?
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Posted 2012-September-12, 20:49

I'll pull if I never want to play with this partner again. Mind you I should own him as an opponent for years.
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Posted 2012-September-12, 20:56

Pass. Somebody has done something silly. Why assume it is partner instead of the opponents?
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Posted 2012-September-13, 00:40

I am in love and in full agreement with all the replies so far.
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Posted 2012-September-13, 01:44

I understand pass but this is far from clear cut to me . My hand looks more like a 3♠ bid than a constructive 2♠ . I understand this is MP and partner may compete with a semi-balanced hand not worth a game try (otherwise dbl) and later is trying to protect our 140 but he is more likely to have a 6th trump or a two suiter with H shortage. Pass is sure to win the post mortem but I have a lot of sympathy for 4♠
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Posted 2012-September-13, 02:14

Partner did not expect many spade tricks for his double, he will expect our wasted spade honours, so he won't play us for two tricks anyway. I am so happy that he doubled...
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Posted 2012-September-13, 03:19

View PostCodo, on 2012-September-13, 02:14, said:

Partner did not expect many spade tricks for his double, he will expect our wasted spade honours, so he won't play us for two tricks anyway. I am so happy that he doubled...

Not me.
I pull. I expect my partner to have a singleton heart and a good hand. My thin constructive raise contains no defensive tricks.
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Posted 2012-September-13, 07:01

View Postrhm, on 2012-September-13, 03:19, said:


But I bet one game is making

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We all predict that due to hand being posted in this forum. And i have a feeling we will find out that there was something wrong with either 3♠ bid or DBL or both at the end.

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Posted 2012-September-13, 07:09

How about someone come up with a hand for partner that is consistent with him not doubling for a game-try, or passing because he wants to defend hearts, on the previous round?
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Posted 2012-September-13, 07:10

damn I messed with the poll, I wanted to put an option if someone would bid 4♠ before partner was able to double.
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Posted 2012-September-13, 07:11

What about a pure hand with 3 tricks, like Axxxxx,xx,AKx,xx? He counts 3 tricks himself and I will have one or two for my constructive raise. He may need to protect his score in 3 ♠, it is mps....
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Posted 2012-September-13, 07:15

View PostCodo, on 2012-September-13, 07:11, said:

What about a pure hand with 3 tricks, like Axxxxx,xx,AKx,xx? He counts 3 tricks himself and I will have one or two for my constructive raise. He may need to protect his score in 3 ♠, it is mps....

Alright, that satisfies me. I'm not very good at matchpoints - didn't think of something like that. The double is probably risk free since 4♥ making would surely be a bottom anyway :-)
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Posted 2012-September-13, 07:25

View PostBunnyGo, on 2012-September-12, 18:38, said:

I'd marry pass, f--- compete, and kill pull.


where did i hide my flack jacket??????????????????

If p has 4 tricks on defense and short hearts as expected it becomes
VERY difficult for us to not make 4s. If p does not have 4 tricks for
defense it becomes very diffcult for us to beat 4h. All roads seem to
lead to a 4s bid.


I also echo marcd feeling this defenseless wonder looks a whole lot
more like a 3s preemptive raise than a 2s constructive raise.

xxxxxx x AKx AKx can partner really be this good??? if so we might still
make 4s maybe even x if rho misjudges and x becasue they have AJT spades.
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