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correct lead? can the slam defeatable?

Poll: correct lead? (7 member(s) have cast votes)

Is leading the queen correct?

  1. Yes (6 votes [85.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 85.71%

  2. Should lead the 7 instead (1 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

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#1 User is offline   mikl_plkcc 

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Posted 2012-June-15, 05:58

I leaded the queen and the slam made. Should I lead the 7 instead?


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Posted 2012-June-15, 06:20

If you led the 7, then declarer would just duck. South wouldn't X 5H without the ace, and if he has AQ then declarer is screwed anyway. So the slam will still make.

I would lead the 7 (leading the Q saves declarer a guess). Indeed in general, against slams it's good to falsecard on the lead. A common one is leading small from something like Axx hoping dummy has K or J, partner has Q and declarer misguesses based on "nobody underleads an Ace".

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Posted 2012-June-15, 06:31

I suggest you spend more time reconsidering the 2 overcall.
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Posted 2012-June-15, 07:43

View Postbillw55, on 2012-June-15, 06:31, said:

I suggest you spend more time reconsidering the 2 overcall.

I don't disagree with this, but I think South's bidding also leaves something to be desired. He wants a club lead, not a heart. He should not double 5, and his double of the final contract would request a club lead.
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Posted 2012-June-15, 07:43

South should have waited for slam to be bid and then make a lightner double.

Edit: Well, ok 6NT makes, but who's to say they're working it out :).
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Posted 2012-June-16, 08:30

That is the worst lead directing double I have ever seen.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2012-June-16, 09:24

View PostCoelacanth, on 2012-June-15, 07:43, said:

I don't disagree with this, but I think South's bidding also leaves something to be desired. He wants a club lead, not a heart. He should not double 5, and his double of the final contract would request a club lead.


right on target plannnng the bidding is not only for those that will play the hand:))))
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Posted 2012-June-16, 10:30

View Postahydra, on 2012-June-15, 06:20, said:

I would lead the 7 (leading the Q saves declarer a guess). Indeed in general, against slams it's good to falsecard on the lead.

I strongly disagree with this on this type of auction. Declarer is never going to guess wrong when partner doubled for the lead, if there is a guess. But leading the Q helps partner considerably if he holds a more normal AJTxx(x) and dummy has Kxx(x), declarer xx. You lead low, declarer plays low, partner now has to guess whether declarer has stiff Q, or doubleton Q, whether he should play for two heart tricks or if he should rise ace and play you for some trick elsewhere.

Falsecarding on lead has more merit vs. grands or if you hold both likely defensive tricks. Vs. small if partner is going to be involved in decisions you need him to know what's going on, so he can decide where you are getting a 2nd trick.

Of course I agree with other posters on the stupidity of doubling 5h and the nutty 2d overcall, although the latter didn't end up mattering on this hand.
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Posted 2012-June-17, 06:00

View PostStephen Tu, on 2012-June-16, 10:30, said:

I strongly disagree with this on this type of auction. Declarer is never going to guess wrong when partner doubled for the lead, if there is a guess. But leading the Q helps partner considerably if he holds a more normal AJTxx(x) and dummy has Kxx(x), declarer xx. You lead low, declarer plays low, partner now has to guess whether declarer has stiff Q, or doubleton Q, whether he should play for two heart tricks or if he should rise ace and play you for some trick elsewhere.

Falsecarding on lead has more merit vs. grands or if you hold both likely defensive tricks. Vs. small if partner is going to be involved in decisions you need him to know what's going on, so he can decide where you are getting a 2nd trick.



Yes - good point that falsecarding has no effect if there's been a lead-directing X.

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Posted 2012-June-22, 08:22

View Postbillw55, on 2012-June-15, 06:31, said:

I suggest you spend more time reconsidering the 2 overcall.


+1 And the double on 5...
I would sympathize if South had overcalled 2.

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