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not the best slam, but still makeable 6 diamonds, plan the play

#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2004-November-11, 19:51

Scoring: MP

1-1
2-3
3NT-4
4-6
pass


The bidding is somehow irrelevant, I am sure looking at both hands most of us will find a good way to reach 6, specially when I tell you that in 6 whenever you play 2 rounds of East will drop J on second round of the suit.

The lead is small to the J.

Plan your play.
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Posted 2004-November-12, 00:13

ill play ace of spades ruff a spade diamond to ace diamond to queen, cash 2 top hearts pitching a spade and club, club to ace, pull the last trump if they were 3-2.

If diamonds did not break i will pitch 2 clubs from hand and then finesse a club, hoping for the SQ to drop and the club hook to be on.
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Posted 2004-November-13, 07:43

Not much answers :-(

This hand happened during our national pairs championship, 2 low level pairs played against on this board, and there was some missinfo during the bidding, and in the end (Iīll explain why and how later) director settled contract to 6 -1 since on normal defence the contract wonīt be made, that isnīt true, the contract is makeable on any defence*, just that the line is maybe not very clear.

I myself played in 3NT so didnīt face the real problem untill I knew how the hand was distributed, after that I found wich the winning line to 6 was. The more I though of it, the more I though it was the BEST line to play on the contract, but of course I highly suspected my decision was biased for knowing the exact location of all cards, so I wanted to see if normally anyone would suggest the winning line.

So far only 1 answer :-(, would any one else try?.

*: on any defence but a real double dummy one actually.
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Posted 2004-November-13, 11:33

:) Well its a tough hand. And now that we know its matchpoints, the hands even tougher ;)

If diamonds are 3-2; I have 11 off the top after forcing out the K. A spade ruff gets me to 12. even if the K is offside, it will create an entry to dummy.

If diamonds are 4-1, I can still make the hand, but I absolutely need the club hook.

If hearts are 3-3, and diamonds 3-2, I can play the hand in my sleep.

So, ......I'm playing:

1. A
2. ruff spade (what are the spots?) - can I tell if they are 4-4? 5-3?
3. Club hook.....

4A. If the hook wins, I'll continue A, ruff club, AK pitching my 2 black suit losers, Q and try to ruff a heart back to hand. I may get uppercutted, but it will only cost me my 13th if the uppercut comes from the short hand. There are too many possibilities here to calculate, like what happens if RHO drops the K at T2, or if the 2nd gets ruffed, etc.. I'd like to be at the table.

4B. If the club hook loses, the hand actually gets easier. Their best return is a trump. I win the Q, trump back to hand, draw trump, club back to J, cash hearts and claim.

Yeah, I realy like the club hook at T3 the more I think about it. :)
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Posted 2004-November-13, 12:13

Fluffy, on Nov 12 2004, 03:51 AM, said:

Dealer: South
Vul: None
Scoring: MP
3
AK109872
Q73
J2
AK106
 
AK852
AQ75
1-1
2-3
3NT-4
4-6
pass

i saw someone do this once :lol: so i'll try it... take the A, lead the Q (in case i need the entry)... if the return is a club, win the J and play A, K, then A, K, Q in that order.. if return is a heart, take the top two then play Q, A, K w/ J the entry... if a spade, trump it and play off top hearts, then Q and low

finally, if a trump is returned, take the Q and lead the top hearts, go to hand and draw trumps, with J as entry... this all depends on 3/2 diamond break, and it's a bottom if the club hook wins all along...
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Posted 2004-November-14, 08:49

Small to the J. If it holds we're home, if it doesn't hold we're also home... Unless trumps are 4-1 and I have a bad day I can't cope with that ;)
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Posted 2004-November-15, 07:30

Ok, it seems clear that my picture of the winning line was completelly biased for knowing all the hands, nobody has suggested anything even near to it :-(.

Here the full hand:



Supose you start with A+ruff, and cash top s discardin 1 and 1.
You see J dropping at east, and you might consider rather safe returning to hand with a ruff (it actually is not really safe, but it isnīt really dangerous even).

When come to be 3-3 you are nearly home, cash K discarding a from dummy, A, ruff, Q and a top will force the long (if any) to ruff while you dscard your last .

So was these a science fiction line actually?.

(at double dummy there is only 1 line that defeats the contract: low lead :lol: )
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Posted 2004-November-15, 13:15

Well I can see how to make it double-dummy. Ruff a spade, 2 rounds of hearts and ruff a heart, then try to draw trumps and when they are 4-1 you throw in West on the 4th round to lead a club. You have Qx in dummy and AJx in hand so you need West to have the king and dummy's hearts are high because they broke 3-3.

Double-dummy though (and that line works on a trump lead too).
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Posted 2004-November-15, 14:12

yes that line is totally double dummy
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