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#1 User is offline   MickyB 

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Posted 2004-November-16, 19:13

This auction was perpetrated playing Acol, but I think that makes no difference:

1♣:1♥, 2♣:2♦, ?

What should a 2♠ bid now mean?

What would you bid with Q73 J J85 AKQJT5?
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Posted 2004-November-16, 20:46

1) natural and extra

2) 3 clubs
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Posted 2004-November-16, 21:33

2S shows some sort of 3 card fragment with a stopper.
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Posted 2004-November-17, 04:58

What should a 2♠ bid now mean?

2♠ is imo natural, total misfit, something like 4-1-2-6 or 4-1-1-7. Why show extra's if partner is minimum and 5-4 ♥-♦?

What would you bid with Q73 J J85 AKQJT5?

Depends on the scoring. In MP's I might try 2NT, in imps just pass...
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Posted 2004-November-17, 05:11

4th suit by opener is always natural, here he mnissed to bid 1♠ so he is likelly having 3 good cards (2 honnors).

On the given hand I woudl bid (in order of preference)

2NT
3♣
2♠
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Posted 2004-November-17, 05:16

Free, on Nov 17 2004, 10:58 AM, said:

What should a 2♠ bid now mean?

2♠ is imo natural, total misfit, something like 4-1-2-6 or 4-1-1-7. Why show extra's if partner is minimum and 5-4 ♥-♦?

What would you bid with Q73 J J85 AKQJT5?

Depends on the scoring. In MP's I might try 2NT, in imps just pass...

my dear Free, 2♦ is forcing on all the systems I know.
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Posted 2004-November-17, 05:33

2♦ used not to be forcing in Acol. Even in Dutch Acol (which is a strong-1NT system, meaning that opener is less likely to rebid 5-cards than in Acol), it is not obvious.
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Posted 2004-November-17, 08:17

1C 1H
2C 2D

used to be played as non-forcing, but current trend is to play it as forcing, and not necessarily natural, e.g.

Axx
KQJxx
xx
Jxx
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Posted 2004-November-17, 08:36

mike777, on Nov 17 2004, 02:46 AM, said:

1) natural and extra

2) 3 clubs

I think natural but not extra, 2c has already limited your strength.
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Posted 2004-November-17, 11:00

misunderstood bidding, thought both opp are bidding here but guess not.
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Posted 2004-November-17, 11:26

MickyB, on Nov 16 2004, 08:13 PM, said:

This auction was perpetrated playing Acol, but I think that makes no difference:

1♣:1♥, 2♣:2♦, ?

What should a 2♠ bid now mean?

What would you bid with Q73 J J85 AKQJT5?

1. 3-card with honor(s).
2. 2♠.
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Posted 2004-November-17, 11:50

MickyB, on Nov 17 2004, 01:13 AM, said:

This auction was perpetrated playing Acol, but I think that makes no difference:

1♣:1♥, 2♣:2♦, ?

What should a 2♠ bid now mean?

What would you bid with Q73 J J85 AKQJT5?

that shows a maximum hand of your 2C rebid, gameforcing, but you still don't know the direction of the contract. It denies 3 card heart support.(I suppose you play this 2D as one round forcing) you may hold something like:
SAx Hxx Dxxx CAKQxxx, you want to bid a game, but you don't know
where you belong to. Partner may not hold a true diamond stopper sometimes:
SKQJ HAQJxx Dxx Cxxx(bidding 2D just to check that if you hold 3 hearts)
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Posted 2004-November-17, 13:15

It shows some sort of spade fragment - probably Axx trying to coax pard to bid NT.
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