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Posted 2012-February-03, 16:11

Teams, red vs white

♠A9876
♥---
♦A954
♣T864

1♦-Pa-1♥-???

Is it an automatic Pass or 1♠?

View Postwyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2012-February-03, 16:18

I would overcall and don't think its particularly close.
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Posted 2012-February-04, 16:08

With a void, I will always enter the auction if possible. Here we can do so easily.
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Posted 2012-February-05, 09:13

 nigel_k, on 2012-February-04, 16:08, said:

With spades and a void, I will always enter the auction if possible. Here we can do so easily.

Amended your post. I'm a lot less certain with -- A9876 A954 T864 after the auction starts 1C-pass-1D to me; I've often wondered about hands like this.
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Posted 2012-February-05, 10:23

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Posted 2012-February-05, 12:58

Not only is this an overcall for me, its an absolutely routine overcall. I would regard passing as a major error.
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Posted 2012-February-05, 13:43

 phil_20686, on 2012-February-05, 12:58, said:

Not only is this an overcall for me, its an absolutely routine overcall. I would regard passing as a major error.


Me too. I always try to protect against 3nt with pard on lead if I can. It may still be our hand in either black suit or by bumping them up.
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Posted 2012-February-05, 14:30

The hand is somewhat sucky, but given pard was unable to bid 1H over 1D, opps are likely to have a huge heart fit. To bid spades here is therefore quite important.
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Posted 2012-February-06, 20:39

Interesting. No doubt the above posters have better experience and judgement than me, but...

We're vul in the sandwich position and don't have a great suit or hand. 1♠ has absolutely no pre-emptive value. If LHO declares in ♦ I probably don't want a ♠ lead - a ♥ lead if found could work well. The bullets should be fine in defence, as is our hand in general. If anything I'd double because of the ♣ tolerance (in fact that's what I'd do), or try a mischievous 2♠. I think 1♠ may suggest to partner you have more than you do, so partner ends up miscompeting.
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Posted 2012-February-06, 21:58

 Statto, on 2012-February-06, 20:39, said:

............................ If anything I'd double because of the ♣ tolerance (in fact that's what I'd do), or try a mischievous 2♠. I think 1♠ may suggest to partner you have more than you do, so partner ends up miscompeting.



Why do you think overcalling 1♠ instead of DBL may suggest to partner we have more than we actually do ? If anything i would think the opposite.
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Posted 2012-February-07, 00:14

 MrAce, on 2012-February-06, 21:58, said:

Why do you think overcalling 1♠ instead of DBL may suggest to partner we have more than we actually do ? If anything i would think the opposite.

I think both suggest more than we have. So I'm probably going to shy away and pass in future bidding. And on that basis, I prefer double as it tells partner about 8 cards in my hand rather than 5.
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Posted 2012-February-07, 00:27

Another reason I don't like 1♠ is we could end up playing in ♠ if partner gets averagely frisky. Forced in ♥ from the opening lead, probably doubled, on a misfitting hand to boot. Maybe I'm too pessimistic? B-)
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Posted 2012-February-07, 00:38

 Statto, on 2012-February-07, 00:27, said:

Another reason I don't like 1♠ is we could end up playing in ♠ if partner gets averagely frisky. Forced in ♥ from the opening lead, probably doubled, on a misfitting hand to boot. Maybe I'm too pessimistic? B-)


If partner has a heart stack or a misfitting hand, I do not expect a lot of 'friskiness'.

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Posted 2012-February-07, 04:02

They got to 4♥ at both tables. Partner doubles if you overcall and doesn't if you don't. It went down 2 at both tables.

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Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2012-February-07, 08:41

 Statto, on 2012-February-06, 20:39, said:

1♠ has absolutely no pre-emptive value.


That's not the point. This is probably your one and only shot at bidding the top suit, so you should take it.
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Posted 2012-February-07, 10:17

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You have the spades, you bid them.

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