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#1 User is offline   TWO4BRIDGE 

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Posted 2011-July-04, 08:20

Eventho 10 tricks made in Sp ( Opps never led trumps ), 5C is the place to be.
Other tables w/o interference easily got to 5C.

2/1 context, MP scoring

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Posted 2011-July-04, 08:22

Looks to me like North has an easy 2♣ bid over 1♥.
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Posted 2011-July-04, 08:30

North could've bid 2♣ the first round (perhaps even Dbl/1♠ if you play that gadget showing values without a clear bid). After his pass, South reversed into 2♠, what the hell was North thinking when he passed the second time???

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Posted 2011-July-04, 08:58


TWO4BRIDGE wrote
2/1 context, MP scoring
Even tho 10 tricks made in Sp ( Opps never led trumps ), 5C is the place to be.
Other tables w/o interference easily got to 5C.

IMO...
The club slam is good. Double-dummy, you can make 13 as the cards lie.
Even in spades, you have 10 top tricks and can make 12 as the cards lie.
North is to blame.
North might bid 2♣
South might double instead of bidding 2♠
North should not pass 2♠.

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Posted 2011-July-04, 09:03

North, for leaving his cat next to the keyboard while he was out of the room.
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Posted 2011-July-04, 09:07

Do I hear an empathetic splinter possibly?
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Posted 2011-July-04, 09:49

Of course North should not have passed 2S; but I don't think the partnership can recover from North's first pass.

Free covers the alternatives to that first pass in Post #3 quite thoroughly.

Edit: BTW, it seems that the interference actually should have been helpful --not derailing. North would have responded 1H --the one place he has nothing useful. But if the partnership has either dbl or 1S available to deny 4 spades and show a flawed response, they are ahead of the game.
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Posted 2011-July-04, 11:10

I'm not too fond of all of N/S bids, but after 2♠ North should realize he has a MONSTER hand in context and raise to 4♣, at the very least.
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Posted 2011-July-04, 11:37

Looks to me like North has an easy 4♣ over 2♠.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


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Posted 2011-July-04, 13:47

I don't understand South's 2S bid. What does he think double shows?
I agree North's pass of 2S was very peculiar (I'd be worried I was too good for 4C, not pass 2S) but the first misbid was 2S.

p.s. as nige1 says, it's not getting to 5C you want, it's getting to 6C.
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Posted 2011-July-04, 15:01

View PostFrancesHinden, on 2011-July-04, 13:47, said:

I don't understand South's 2S bid. What does he think double shows?

The 'Reverse' definitely shows longer Clubs.
A 'double' would not do that.... although it would show Diam as well as Sp.
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Posted 2011-July-04, 17:27

North was very timid over the 1♥ overcall. I have some sympathy for pass, especially if the partnership does not have any methods for showing values without implying a spade suit.

South has a clear double of 2♥, but at least 2♠ should have gotten the partnership on the right track.

North's pass of 2♠ is beyond belief. The OP says that 5♣ is the place to play. 7♣ is on a diamond finesse and a little luck. 6♣ is a virtual claim. And North passed 2♠ with KJx of spades and KTxx of clubs after passing earlier?

OP also notes that 10 tricks made in spades, as the opponents never led trump. Unless the hand was improperly presented (certainly a possibility) declarer has 10 running tricks if he pulls trump.

There must be something wrong with the original post.
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Posted 2011-July-05, 20:38

View PostArtK78, on 2011-July-04, 17:27, said:

OP also notes that 10 tricks made in spades, as the opponents never led trump. Unless the hand was improperly presented (certainly a possibility) declarer has 10 running tricks if he pulls trump.


Opening lead was a Ht... to start tapping my trumps.
If Sp don't split, South loses control.... and they take a bunch of Ht tricks.
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Posted 2011-July-05, 20:46

View PostTWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-July-05, 20:38, said:

Opening lead was a Ht... to start tapping my trumps.
If Sp don't split, South loses control.... and they take a bunch of Ht tricks.

That isn't relevant in 6♣ now is it?

North is to blame about 85% (86.17% for all the people who say bidding is 80% of bridge), and I agree South has an easy double.
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Posted 2011-July-06, 19:02

View PostTWO4BRIDGE, on 2011-July-05, 20:38, said:

Opening lead was a Ht... to start tapping my trumps. If Sp don't split, South loses control.... and they take a bunch of Ht tricks.
A heart lead may worry you, but with the deal supplied by TWO4BRIDGE, 4♠ has ten top tricks on any lead. At double-dummy, on a heart lead, you can still make twelve (ruff and exit with a small diamond).
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Posted 2011-July-06, 21:04

View Postandy_h, on 2011-July-04, 09:07, said:

Do I hear an empathetic splinter possibly?

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Posted 2011-July-07, 03:25

North is an absolute beginner, no blame.
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Posted 2011-July-07, 03:53

I don't mind the 2S bid, as I also don't like doubling with a void. I would blame Nth 100% for for the reasons Free outlines.
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