[jillybean]

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MP NV vs. V

(1♥) X (P) ?

[TylerE]

Looks like a pretty textbook 2NT here, with standard agreements. Heart stop, invitational to 3N.

[Bbradley62]

Looks like a pretty textbook 3NT here, with standard agreements. Heart stop, game-forcing values, not 4 spades, no 5-card minor.

[Phil]

I agree with Tyler although if I had a 4th heart, I'd venture 3.

[Hanoi5]

I'd start with 2♥, this might fetch 2♠ from partner and then I'd bid 2NT. A direct 2NT is 11-12 for me and although I have 13 my hand is kinda ugly and I don't want to punish partner for doublin g with a shapy hand.

[mike777]

TylerE, on 2011-May-27, 15:54, said:

Looks like a pretty textbook 2NT here, with standard agreements. Heart stop, invitational to 3N.

ditto

[jillybean]

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Not much fun...

[Hanoi5]

3♥ was too much, why didn't you bid 2♥?

All the approaches (2♥, 2NT or 3NT) mentioned would have worked in this hand. Why 3♥?!

[aguahombre]

Perfect time for west to ask East, "Where is your hand from the auction?"

[jillybean]

Hanoi5, on 2011-May-27, 18:18, said:

3♥ was too much, why didn't you bid 2♥?

All the approaches (2♥, 2NT or 3NT) mentioned would have worked in this hand. Why 3♥?!

(I'm west) 3♥ was asking for a ♥ stopper for nt. I had assumed it was gf but perhaps you can stop in 4m

[aguahombre]

asking for a stopper when East has a stopper himself does not seem right. It assures that your side will pass up 3NT when it is right and the person unlikely to have a stopper doesn't have one.

[jillybean]

aguahombre, on 2011-May-27, 21:29, said:

asking for a stopper when East has a stopper himself does not seem right. It assures that your side will pass up 3NT when it is right and the person unlikely to have a stopper doesn't have one.

my thoughts exactly

[han]

As west, what's the reason behind bidding 4C? It seems to me that your spades are better, and more importantly, 3S is cheaper so you can still get to (for example) 3NT.

[aguahombre]

Maybe West thought 3S at that point would show more spades and, therefore more strength because of her original double rather than an overcall.

[han]

One should make a general rule that the cheapest bid should not be used for highly unlikely hand types. And that partners shouldn't jump cue to ask for a stopper when a cheaper cue is available to set a general gameforce.

Thank me later.

[TylerE]

Bbradley62, on 2011-May-27, 16:04, said:

Looks like a pretty textbook 3NT here, with standard agreements. Heart stop, game-forcing values, not 4 spades, no 5-card minor.

The problem with just bashing 3N is that we likely only have hearts stopped once, and opposite a random minimal takeout double, which by far is the hand partner is a favorite to have, I don't see us taking 9 tricks without losing the lead.

[JLOGIC]

I would just bid 2N which shows about 12 (maybe a really good 11, maybe a crappyish 13). QJx of hearts is a really big turn off, and I'd like to give partner leeway w/r at MP to get in there.

[jillybean]

han, on 2011-May-28, 12:11, said:

As west, what's the reason behind bidding 4C? It seems to me that your spades are better, and more importantly, 3S is cheaper so you can still get to (for example) 3NT.

I had already shown 4♠'s, I was not interested in playing in 3N with T8 in opps suit, partners 3♥'s is asking for a stopper. I think 3♠ should show a ♠ hand too strong to overcall 1♠.
4♣ is an attempt to find the best spot past 3N.

[han]

jillybean, on 2011-May-28, 16:50, said:

I had already shown 4♠'s.

Some day you may encounter a hand with which it is best to double even when you don't have 4 spades.

[jillybean]

han, on 2011-May-28, 20:31, said:

Some day you may encounter a hand with which it is best to double even when you don't have 4 spades.

right, I have already suggested 4♠