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#1 User is offline   gnasher 

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Posted 2011-April-17, 03:24


... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-April-17, 03:30

yes. I don't think I have enough to trap pass this at the 1 level, and I do have enough values for a negative X, even if I expect a 2C call by partner in response.
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Posted 2011-April-17, 03:30

duplicated post

This post has been edited by CSGibson: 2011-April-17, 03:31

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Posted 2011-April-17, 03:30

Another duplicate. Stupid computer.

This post has been edited by CSGibson: 2011-April-17, 12:34

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Posted 2011-April-17, 05:21

I would pass, downgrade the intermediates and club void to a 4-6 hand with stopper for pass followed by 1NT over partner's double.
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Posted 2011-April-17, 10:48

I expect partner will reopen if this is any near game.
Even 3H is by the reopen route.
Why do I encourage on the opponents A,
an unclaimed suit K, AND void in partner's???
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Posted 2011-April-17, 11:43

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Gets your hand of your chest in one bid. A little tough, but if you pass, any time it turns into a competitive auction, both you and your partner will be unsure about the combined number of hearts in your hand. (You: "Wonder how many hearts partner has for his double", Partner: "Partner probably only has three, since he didn't double with an ace and a king.")
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- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.

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Posted 2011-April-17, 12:56

Definitely not. Passing is not a trap pass. It is normal to pass with extreme length in their suit and extreme shortness in partners suit. I only have a 7 count, I'm not worried about missing anything by passing to begin with.
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Posted 2011-April-17, 15:12

Posting this as a poll might have been interesting.
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Posted 2011-April-18, 00:52

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Posted 2011-April-18, 01:05

View PostFluffy, on 2011-April-17, 05:21, said:

I would pass, downgrade the intermediates and club void to a 4-6 hand with stopper for pass followed by 1NT over partner's double.


I'd DBL but even if i choosed to pass, i would not bid 1 NT after pd's DBL for various reasons.

Such as;

-We already downgraded our hand with first pass.

-Pd did not reopen with 2♣ and is asking us to bid a suit and we have in fact 2 of them.

-By bidding 1 NT over his DBL, we will be misleading him about our ♠ holding vs his possible stiff.
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Posted 2011-April-18, 02:24

I like pass here with a void in partner's suit. Double makes it more likely that
partner will rebid some number of ♣s which I don't want to encourage. I accept
that occasionally I may miss a game but more often it I think it gets our side into trouble.
We need a pretty good hand opposite to make 4♥.
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Posted 2011-April-18, 03:10

IMO _P = 10, _X = 7, 1N = 5
A bit weak for a double but an argument for double is that you may be able to avoid a silly 2♣ contract when opener is 1426 or 1246

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Posted 2011-April-18, 05:31

View Postnige1, on 2011-April-18, 03:10, said:

A bit weak for a double but an argument for double is that you may be able to avoid a silly 2♣ contract when opener is 1426 or 1246 [/hv]


When opener is 1246, how exactly will doubling lead to fewer silly contracts?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2011-April-18, 05:40

Odds are huge pard has a clubs 1-suiter and is aching to bid it. Not sure how pass is going to detract him more than dbl, so I dbl :)
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Posted 2011-April-18, 06:38

ignore this one
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Posted 2011-April-18, 06:40

View Postnige1, on 2011-April-18, 03:10, said:

IMO _P = 10, _X = 7, 1N = 5
A bit weak for a double but an argument for double is that you may be able to avoid a silly 2♣ contract when opener is 1426 or 1246

View Posthan, on 2011-April-18, 05:31, said:

When opener is 1246, how exactly will doubling lead to fewer silly contracts?
It depends on how you play negative doubles but IMO, If you double, opener is more likely to rebid diamonds than clubs with say
♠ x ♥ xx ♦ AKxx ♣ AKxxxx
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Posted 2011-April-18, 06:57

Hi,

yes - I dont think I want to convert a reopening X,
and I dont think I really want to bid 1NT.

So looking for a heart fit (or diamond fit) looks like
a good alternative.

With kind regards
Marlowe
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Posted 2011-April-18, 10:10

View Postnige1, on 2011-April-18, 06:40, said:

It depends on how you play negative doubles but IMO, If you double, opener is more likely to rebid diamonds than clubs with say
♠ x ♥ xx ♦ AKxx ♣ AKxxxx


For the overwhelming majority of experts the negative double says nothing about ♦s. Hence
a 2♦ rebid by opener is a reverse, needing the same hand stength as is if responder had bid 1M.
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Posted 2011-April-18, 10:12

View PostP_Marlowe, on 2011-April-18, 06:57, said:

Hi,

yes - I dont think I want to convert a reopening X,
and I dont think I really want to bid 1NT.

So looking for a heart fit (or diamond fit) looks like
a good alternative.

With kind regards
Marlowe


Obviously you don't want to convert or bid 1NT, but it is legal to
bid ♥s having passed on the first round after a reopening X.
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