[Phil]

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You are vulnerable. Opps are not. You consider a move over 2♠, but decide not to (agree?)

Pard leads the ♠A and shifts to a heart. You cash the J-A and partner discards a low spade.

Over to you.

[Phil]

Rather surprised no one is answering this.

[kgr]

Phil, on 2011-March-01, 09:26, said:

Rather surprised no one is answering this.

Maybe you need to correct the diagram:
East opened 2S with a singleton?
North bid 5D with a void?

[Phil]

kgr, on 2011-March-01, 09:44, said:

Maybe you need to correct the diagram:
East opened 2S with a singleton?
North bid 5D with a void?

Unless you re-do a diagram that is easier said then done. I'll see if I can fix the code (easier than I thought).

[gwnn]

Does partner open 2♠ on 5? for example AJxxx?

Oh I see we're vulnerable (unfortunately the diagram confused me). Then I guess no.

Declarer has one spade and two hearts. We don't know how many diamonds he has. However, we can play a small heart can't we? Then declarer has to play clubs from his hand?

[Phil]

gwnn, on 2011-March-01, 10:53, said:

Does partner open 2♠ on 5? for example AJxxx?

Oh I see we're vulnerable (unfortunately the diagram confused me). Then I guess no.

Declarer has one spade and two hearts. We don't know how many diamonds he has. However, we can play a small heart can't we? Then declarer has to play clubs from his hand?

AJxxx r/w? Yeah, thats the other partner Not this guy.

How many diamonds do you think LHO really has? And what about this small spade discard. Anything fishy about that?

[gwnn]

Hm.

Declarer has 10 minor cards in total. Also partner and declarer hold six clubs in total.

Leading clubs from his hand is only bad for declarer if he has Jx in clubs but that would give him
x
xx
AKJxxxxx
Jx

Which is really not a 5♦ bid, no matter what class of opponents we're talking here.

So I don't think making him lead a club from hand is that important.

So we should play ace of clubs and heart, because maybe partner has the jack of diamonds and we get two tricks?

I don't see anything else

I have no idea what partner means with that ♠ discard.

[Trumpace]

+1 gwnn: Cash CA, and hope to get an extra trump trick by playing a heart.

Also, I agree (and am curious): what can we read from the spade discard?

[Phil]

Trumpace, on 2011-March-01, 12:23, said:

+1 gwnn: Cash CA, and hope to get an extra trump trick by playing a heart.

Also, I agree (and am curious): what can we read from the spade discard?

Right card - maybe incomplete on the right 'answer'.

Declarer was 1-2-9-1. Partner had the hoped for ♦J - singleton. The winning defense is to cash the ♣A and play the 3rd club. This gets you 800, instead of 500. I had hoped for x xx AK7xxxxx Qx (I mean, how bad is 5♦ w/r with this? Not really IMO) by playing a high heart, ruffed, overruffed, club and a 4th heart. Yes declarer should ruff with the Ace, and he might, but we give ourselves the best shot for 1100 this way. We got this declarer for 1700 on the prior board, so he was already traumatized, and I doubt he finds the right play

Don't you think with 6-1-1-5 that he could afford a club pitch? I think so. I took the lack of a club discard as the need to protect something.

[gwnn]

It is pretty bad. If you want to bid 5♦ as a save, you should pass 2♠. If you want to bid 5♦ to make, it is almost irregardless what the vulnerability is. In fact when you're favourable, you should try not to overbid to game.

[Phil]

gwnn, on 2011-March-01, 16:39, said:

It is pretty bad. If you want to bid 5♦ as a save, you should pass 2♠. If you want to bid 5♦ to make, it is irregardless what the vulnerability is.

Irregardless

Yeah, true. He is in the passout.

[rogerclee]

This thread is kind of a mystery to me, seems like playing the ♥A is fine.

[Trumpace]

Dupe.

[Trumpace]

rogerclee, on 2011-March-02, 10:18, said:

This thread is kind of a mystery to me, seems like playing the ♥A is fine.

Yes, looks like that to me too :-)

One possible concern: If declarer throws a club on HA, how do you continue?

[cherdano]

Trumpace, on 2011-March-02, 11:23, said:

Yes, looks like that to me too :-)

One possible concern: If declarer throws a club on HA, how do you continue?

That depends on partner's club discard, showing count in that suit?

[gnasher]

If declarer throws a heart on ♣A, we're certainly not worse off than we would have been if we'd cashed ♣A.

[MrAce]

gnasher, on 2011-March-04, 04:28, said:

If declarer throws a club on ♥A, we're certainly not worse off than we would have been if we'd cashed ♣A.

Fixed

[gnasher]

Yes, that's what I meant. The round-suit aces are just so hard to tell apart.

[Trumpace]

cherdano, on 2011-March-04, 04:23, said:

That depends on partner's club discard, showing count in that suit?

I guess with a great partner, that is possible.

gnasher, on 2011-March-04, 04:28, said:

If declarer throws a club on ♥A, we're certainly not worse off than we would have been if we'd cashed ♣A.

Yes, I believe everyone agrees :-)

The question was do you get greedy and try to cash the ♣A next (playing for 1-2-8-2) to get an extra trick (and potentially losing out to 1-2-9-1)?


(This multiquote feature is nice :-))

[gnasher]

Trumpace, on 2011-March-04, 11:34, said:

The question was do you get greedy and try to cash the ♣A next (playing for 1-2-8-2) to get an extra trick (and potentially losing out to 1-2-9-1)?

If I found myself in some parallel universe where partner doesn't play signalling, I'd consider declarer's play.

If he had 1282 with ♣Q, presumably he'd have ruffed with something rather than throw a winner.
If he has x xx AKJxxxxx xx he's misplayed it - he could have ruffed the heart with ♦J, then endplayed me with the third round of trumps.
If he has x xx AK87xxxx Jx he's probably misplayed it - he could have ruffed the heart high or medium and held his minor-suit losers to three.
If he has x xx AK86xxxx Jx he's probably misplayed it - he could have ruffed the heart high and held his minor-suit losers to three.
Those are all horrible 5♦ bids, so I'm not going to consider any weaker hands.