BBO Discussion Forums: ATB missed game - BBO Discussion Forums

Jump to content

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

ATB missed game

#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

  • World International Master without a clue
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 17,404
  • Joined: 2003-November-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:madrid

Posted 2011-March-04, 03:28



The 1NT behind somehow scared both of us and we missed the game, I think we were all vulnerable, but don't remember for sure.
0

#2 User is online   paulg 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 5,273
  • Joined: 2003-April-26
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Edinburgh

Posted 2011-March-04, 04:30

I think West's 2♠ is a little timid. If partner's double of 1NT does not have any spade honours then it will be stronger so I think you have to do something else.

What you do is not so clear. 3♣ has some attraction especially if this shows a hand that was unsuitable for Michaels. Another option is 2♣ which is probably best if it is not passed. Even 3♠ and 4[spades[ would have support in a bidding poll.

I plump for 3♣.

In my world East has a clear pass over 2[spades]
The Beer Card

I don't work for BBO and any advice is based on my BBO experience over the decades
0

#3 User is offline   gnasher 

  • Andy Bowles
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 11,993
  • Joined: 2007-May-03
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London, UK

Posted 2011-March-04, 04:31

I think West is too easily scared.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
0

#4 User is offline   nigel_k 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 2,207
  • Joined: 2009-April-26
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Wellington, NZ

Posted 2011-March-04, 04:47

100% West.

It's kind of an unusual auction but I think pulling the double is a very weak action, e.g. Q10xxxx x xx Kxxx would be typical if that is not a WJO for you. Even a better hand might not make more than eight tricks in spades. It's possible that a stronger action with West would find a very unsuitable dummy but you have to risk it. I would bid 3♠ probably because spades will very often be better than clubs and 3♣ does not necessarily indicate 6-5, let alone 7-5. 2♣ is too likely to be passed.
0

#5 User is offline   gnasher 

  • Andy Bowles
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 11,993
  • Joined: 2007-May-03
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London, UK

Posted 2011-March-04, 05:44

Could West pull to 2♥, as a delayed Michaels cue-bid?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
0

#6 User is offline   gwnn 

  • Csaba the Hutt
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 13,027
  • Joined: 2006-June-16
  • Gender:Male
  • Interests:bye

Posted 2011-March-04, 06:18

As usual I will do something crazy with my 7-5 and overcall 4♠ first round.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
      George Carlin
0

#7 User is offline   ArtK78 

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 7,786
  • Joined: 2004-September-05
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Galloway NJ USA
  • Interests:Bridge, Poker, participatory and spectator sports.
    Occupation - Tax Attorney in Atlantic City, NJ.

Posted 2011-March-04, 09:02

West has to do more with his 7-5 hand than bid just 2♠.

There is no perfect call, but 3♣ makes more sense than 2♠. Just shooting out 4♠ is better than 2♠, but partner could be 1-5 in the blacks and you could miss a SLAM. And you don't need partner to have 5 clubs for slam to be very good, if not cold. Just give partner:

x
KJxx
Axxx
AJxx

Slam will be easy if spades are 3-2 and clubs are 3-1 or 2-2.
0

#8 User is offline   mtvesuvius 

  • Vesuvius the Violent Volcano
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 3,216
  • Joined: 2008-December-04
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Tampa-Area, Florida
  • Interests:SLEEPING

Posted 2011-March-04, 10:19

I'd have bid 4♠ the first round as well.

West still needs to bid more than 2♠, I like the delayed Michaels suggestion, but I doubt partner would figure that one out. I'd bid 3♠ over the double.
Yay for the "Ignored Users" feature!
0

#9 User is offline   cherdano 

  • 5555
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 9,520
  • Joined: 2003-September-04
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2011-March-04, 13:15

View Postgnasher, on 2011-March-04, 05:44, said:

Could West pull to 2♥, as a delayed Michaels cue-bid?

Logically, 2♥ shows a distributional hand with game interest, but I don't see partner working out that it shows a 5-card minor. Still, it should get the job done.
The easiest way to count losers is to line up the people who talk about loser count, and count them. -Kieran Dyke
0

#10 User is offline   Fluffy 

  • World International Master without a clue
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 17,404
  • Joined: 2003-November-13
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:madrid

Posted 2011-March-04, 15:03

Obviously it shouldn't show anything close to this, but the failure to bid 2♠ the round before, what does it suggest?
0

#11 User is offline   gnasher 

  • Andy Bowles
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 11,993
  • Joined: 2007-May-03
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London, UK

Posted 2011-March-04, 16:17

View PostFluffy, on 2011-March-04, 15:03, said:

Obviously it shouldn't show anything close to this, but the failure to bid 2♠ the round before, what does it suggest?


Just a six-card suit and a hand too strong for 2♠ on the previous round. KQ10xxx x Kxx Kxx, for example.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
0

#12 User is offline   JLOGIC 

  • 2011 Poster of The Year winner
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 6,002
  • Joined: 2010-July-08
  • Gender:Male

Posted 2011-March-04, 17:44

Hate the idea of 2S showing a hand too strong to overcall 2S the round before. There are a lot of reasons one might not overcall 2S the round before.

West lost his mind here. 7-5! What is the point of overcalling 1S if you won't show clubs next anyways?

Easts bidding was 100 % standard.
0

#13 User is offline   gnasher 

  • Andy Bowles
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • Group: Advanced Members
  • Posts: 11,993
  • Joined: 2007-May-03
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:London, UK

Posted 2011-March-04, 18:51

View PostJLOGIC, on 2011-March-04, 17:44, said:

Hate the idea of 2S showing a hand too strong to overcall 2S the round before. There are a lot of reasons one might not overcall 2S the round before.


What are the other possible reasons, given that West had now bid 2♠?
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
0

Page 1 of 1
  • You cannot start a new topic
  • You cannot reply to this topic

1 User(s) are reading this topic
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users