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who moved my forcing no trump?

#1 User is offline   babalu1997 

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Posted 2011-March-02, 20:16

you are playing forcing no trump.

hard core, x-rated forcing no trump.

is there something worng with my bidding?



thanks
ps i dound partner with 3 little clubs and aq third in diamonds

View PostFree, on 2011-May-10, 03:57, said:

Babalu just wanted a shoulder to cry on, is that too much to ask for?
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Posted 2011-March-02, 20:41

Partner was probably 5=2=3=3 and bid his lowest 3-card suit. Isn't this normal when playing forcing NT?
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Posted 2011-March-02, 21:11

Well, I would have passed originally, but I don't understand your question. What's the problem?
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Posted 2011-March-02, 21:58

You should pass the first time and pass the second time.
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Posted 2011-March-02, 22:58

View Poststraube, on 2011-March-02, 21:58, said:

You should pass the first time and pass the second time.

The first time, sure, but the second time? You really think so?
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Posted 2011-March-02, 23:21

Agree with the 1NT response.
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Posted 2011-March-02, 23:36

I think you bid just fine. What happened afterwards?
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Posted 2011-March-03, 00:26

I think the OP is implying opener should have rebid ♦.As others have pointed out even with AQx in ♦ and xxx in ♣ it is correct to rebid 2♣ to a response of forcing NT.Length matters and with equal length, ♣is the proper rebid.
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Posted 2011-March-03, 00:51

Unless opener has some shape a bit more extreme than 5431 then his worst hand type if you pull to diamonds is 5-3-1-4, and you would have been better then by passing 2C. Otherwise it is likely to be pretty neutral or better in Diamonds. I do have some concerns that opener might bid again over 2D with extras. And of course opener could be more shapely than 5431. I can't get too excited about either choice.
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Posted 2011-March-03, 01:25

Put me down for pass the first time and pass the second time too, though I will admit that the case between passing 2C and bidding 2D isn't 100% clear. In my book, if you DO for some reason bid a subminimum 1NTF over 1S, it is with the idea of praying partner bids ANYthing but spades.
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Posted 2011-March-03, 06:06

I would have passed first time. Agree with Siegmund: you bid 1NT with such a weak hand partly to improve the partscore, but here you aren't really happy with any rebid from partner other than an unlikely 2♥ or 2♦.

Not having passed first time I would pass second time. Maybe the chance that 2♦ is better than 2♣ is 50/50 or thereabouts. But you are so weak that you strongly prefer not to give partner a chance to bid again with his 16-17 misfitting hand.
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Posted 2011-March-03, 07:19

View Poststraube, on 2011-March-02, 21:58, said:

You should pass the first time and pass the second time.


Agree with you. The OP is a handhog.
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Posted 2011-March-03, 07:33

agree 100% with 1NT
agree only 10% with 2♦. it's too wishful for my liking. even if it's a 3-3 fit, it could play quite well!
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Posted 2011-March-03, 09:15

View Postgwnn, on 2011-March-03, 07:33, said:

agree 100% with 1NT
agree only 10% with 2♦. it's too wishful for my liking. even if it's a 3-3 fit, it could play quite well!

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Posted 2011-March-03, 10:08

If you bid 1NT, you should pass imo.
If you pass the first time like you should, you won't have this problem.
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Posted 2011-March-03, 10:09

View PostVampyr, on 2011-March-02, 22:58, said:

The first time, sure, but the second time? You really think so?


Yes. Systemically, 2D promises 6 diamonds. There must be an exception for 1-5-5-2 but in that case responder will usually guess to bid hearts unless the diamonds are better. Partner has to trust you and pass when he has 5413 as well as 5314. But 2D also may attract a rebid. You don't want partner making a game try with 2N or 3C or 3D. About the only game try that might improve the contract is 2S.
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Posted 2011-March-03, 10:22

View Poststraube, on 2011-March-03, 10:09, said:

Yes. Systemically, 2D promises 6 diamonds.


OK. I don't play forcing NT, so I was probably influenced by knowing partner's shape.
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Posted 2011-March-03, 10:41

View Postcherdano, on 2011-March-03, 09:15, said:

You know, sometimes opponents lead trumps on this auction.

I'd lead a trump from KJx on this auction... At least against Csaba I would :P
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Posted 2011-March-03, 11:42

View Poststraube, on 2011-March-03, 10:09, said:

Yes. Systemically, 2D promises 6 diamonds.


Which system is that? Can you please provide some links?
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Posted 2011-March-03, 11:45

btw, possibly stupid question: does the scoring matter to people who respond 1NT? (OP didn't specify, but I presume it is Matchpoints).
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