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Playing SAYC partner opens 1♦ and I have a very weak hand with seven points and a very weak four card spade suit. I respond one spade and partner now bids a new suit at the two level.
(a) Is it forcing if the suit is lower ranking, eg clubs
(b) Is it forcing if the suit is higher ranking, eg hearts
As an Acol player I could pass (a) but not (b). With (b) I would be forced to give a preference bid to one of partner's suits because with seven points I could not bid 2NT (Acol demands that I hold at least ten and a half points to make this bid).
When I am playing SAYC could I bid 2NT with only seven points?
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Posted 2011-March-03, 04:55
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Posted 2011-March-03, 08:26
Cromlyn, on 2011-March-03, 04:55, said:
Playing SAYC partner opens 1♦ and I have a very weak hand with seven points and a very weak four card spade suit. I respond one spade and partner now bids a new suit at the two level.
(a) Is it forcing if the suit is lower ranking, eg clubs
(b) Is it forcing if the suit is higher ranking, eg hearts
As an Acol player I could pass (a) but not (b). With (b) I would be forced to give a preference bid to one of partner's suits because with seven points I could not bid 2NT (Acol demands that I hold at least ten and a half points to make this bid).
When I am playing SAYC could I bid 2NT with only seven points?
(a) Is it forcing if the suit is lower ranking, eg clubs
(b) Is it forcing if the suit is higher ranking, eg hearts
As an Acol player I could pass (a) but not (b). With (b) I would be forced to give a preference bid to one of partner's suits because with seven points I could not bid 2NT (Acol demands that I hold at least ten and a half points to make this bid).
When I am playing SAYC could I bid 2NT with only seven points?
The bids you gave: 1D-1S-2C and 1D-1S-2H, shows exactly the same hands as in acol, therefore any system you know in acol for these sequences you can play in sayc.
I do however think that most do play that 2NT over the second position shows a weak hand, in sayc and probably in acol.
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Posted 2011-March-03, 08:43
Cromlyn, on 2011-March-03, 04:55, said:
Playing SAYC partner opens 1♦ and I have a very weak hand with seven points and a very weak four card spade suit. I respond one spade and partner now bids a new suit at the two level.
(a) Is it forcing if the suit is lower ranking, eg clubs
(b) Is it forcing if the suit is higher ranking, eg hearts
As an Acol player I could pass (a) but not (b). With (b) I would be forced to give a preference bid to one of partner's suits because with seven points I could not bid 2NT (Acol demands that I hold at least ten and a half points to make this bid).
When I am playing SAYC could I bid 2NT with only seven points?
(a) Is it forcing if the suit is lower ranking, eg clubs
(b) Is it forcing if the suit is higher ranking, eg hearts
As an Acol player I could pass (a) but not (b). With (b) I would be forced to give a preference bid to one of partner's suits because with seven points I could not bid 2NT (Acol demands that I hold at least ten and a half points to make this bid).
When I am playing SAYC could I bid 2NT with only seven points?
without fit for P's colors, you can bid 2NT, even if you do not have a stopper ♣ AND no 5card ♠.
and as fas a I know ACOL, you can do that too in ACOL. 2NT just shwos a weak hand, and P can pass it, if stronger you have to bid 4SuitForcing or jump to 3NT. That is the whole power of limit bidding in ACOL.
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Posted 2011-March-03, 18:22
Cromlyn, on 2011-March-03, 04:55, said:
Playing SAYC partner opens 1♦ and I have a very weak hand with seven points and a very weak four card spade suit. I respond one spade and partner now bids a new suit at the two level.
(a) Is it forcing if the suit is lower ranking, eg clubs
(b) Is it forcing if the suit is higher ranking, eg hearts
(a) Is it forcing if the suit is lower ranking, eg clubs
(b) Is it forcing if the suit is higher ranking, eg hearts
a- is NF
b-Forcing, it is REVERSE.
Cromlyn, on 2011-March-03, 04:55, said:
When I am playing SAYC could I bid 2NT with only seven points?
Depends on agreement what 2 NT shows, most play it as a gate to show weak hands regardless of stopper in unbid suit, some others believe it is not a wise thing to do to grab the NT from wrong side, when likely game is 3 NT and it will be a borderline game.
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