[babalu1997]

gwnn, on 2011-March-03, 07:33, said:

agree 100% with 1NT
agree only 10% with 2♦. it's too wishful for my liking. even if it's a 3-3 fit, it could play quite well!

After all was said and done, I should not have rebid 2d

tho the requirement is only 5 cards in the suit, that actually shows 5+ hcp which i did not have.

[babalu1997]

Trumpace, on 2011-March-03, 11:42, said:

Which system is that? Can you please provide some links?

I do not hobnob with live experts, but I consult dead ones, and

Max Hardy says: to introduce a new suit at the 2 level requires 5+ cards and 5-9 hcp.

(page 78, std bridge bidding for the 21st century)

[babalu1997]

655321, on 2011-March-02, 23:21, said:

Agree with the 1NT response.

Well my intent when post was this,

I am, in fact a kaplanite, and prefer to play a forcing no trump reponse to show in fact 0+ hcp when holding a misfit for partner. When your hand is in fact that weak, no contract is likely to make anyway so you better try to improve the fit, he says.

This is in fact outlined in the 1962 edition of Winning Bridge.

Although I have noticed that more recent books have this 5+ hcp thing.

I play mostly matchpoints, so the 2 trumps are great for my pass.

[nigel_k]

No strong opinion about 1NT vs pass. I would pass 2♣ for the same reason as Helene: it may or may not be the best partscore but at least there will be no more bidding.

[straube]

babalu1997, on 2011-March-03, 12:45, said:

I do not hobnob with live experts, but I consult dead ones, and

Max Hardy says: to introduce a new suit at the 2 level requires 5+ cards and 5-9 hcp.

(page 78, std bridge bidding for the 21st century)

Here's a link I found....
http://home.comcast....ge/1ntforce.htm

This link suggests that introduction of a new suit at the 2-level requires a strong 5-cd suit. Probably KT97x doesn't qualify as a strong 5-cd suit.

This link doesn't get into a lot of nuance about what the probabilities are, but suggesting one's own suit after partner has suggested two other strains ought generally to be avoided. Partner will play you for a 6-cd suit because the odds that you 1) don't have a fit for either of partner's suits and 2) have a good 5-cd suit of your own (meaning that your meager values are concentrated within 5 of your 13 cards) are small.

Forcing NT presents difficult rebid problems. What if you have 1-5-5-2 and both your red suits are poor? It's mostly a guess here because any strain could be right. Better is to use semi-forcing NT, but even then one will have to guess sometimes.

[gwnn]

mtvesuvius, on 2011-March-03, 10:41, said:

I'd lead a trump from KJx on this auction... At least against Csaba I would

Against Adam I would never pass 2♣

[MrAce]

It is % 100 1 NT for me also, but i would pass 2♣. My resoning;

1-Yes 2♦ can be made on a 5 carder occasionally but not with this ♦ suit.

2- I dont wanna give partner another chance to reopen when he is 15/17 unbalanced.

3- I am not really unhappy playing in ♣ contract even if it is 3-3.

[the hog]

MrAce, on 2011-March-03, 18:12, said:

It is % 100 1 NT for me also, but i would pass 2♣. My resoning;

1-Yes 2♦ can be made on a 5 carder occasionally but not with this ♦ suit.

2- I dont wanna give partner another chance to reopen when he is 15/17 unbalanced.

3- I am not really unhappy playing in ♣ contract even if it is 3-3.

However if it is 100% forcing for you and you pass, you will lose partner's confidence.

[straube]

the hog, on 2011-March-03, 18:45, said:

However if it is 100% forcing for you and you pass, you will lose partner's confidence.

He didn't say 2C was forcing. He said that he agreed 100% with the decision to respond 1N.

[mike777]

pass 1s

I am in a 6 card Major suit fit at the one level nv at that point.


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Many play BART including me so 1s=1nt=2c=2d( is art and relay showing many hand types.)
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In fact with 5=3=3=2 2c might be a 2 card suit so 2d can be 4 and also so BART can be used.

Club suit rebids never get any respect.