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Posted 2010-December-24, 11:39

W vs. R IMP

RHO opens 1 (corrected)

AKT763, A, J973, 52
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Posted 2010-December-24, 12:03

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Posted 2010-December-24, 12:28

1. Unless we agreed intermediate jump overcalls on the way to the game, then 2
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Posted 2010-December-24, 12:38

Intermediate jumps are good for this sort of hand.

However at this vulnerability weak jumps are probably more useful.

1 without any special agreement about intermediate jumps.
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Posted 2010-December-24, 15:56

1S and I fail to see a reasonable alternative.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2010-December-24, 16:23

So not the sort of hand you would bid 4 on.



This was a hand from one of my tournaments, South called me when dummy came down.
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Posted 2010-December-24, 16:30

Did south offer a reason for calling you?
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2010-December-24, 17:12

View Posthan, on 2010-December-24, 16:30, said:

Did south offer a reason for calling you?

South thought E/W were wired, I think that is a reasonable assumption.
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Posted 2010-December-24, 17:46

View Postjillybean, on 2010-December-24, 17:12, said:

South thought E/W were wired, I think that is a reasonable assumption.

That is a horrible assumption. You cannot be accused of cheating every time you get lucky. 4 is not all that outrageous.

PS: The original post appears to mis-state the opening bid.
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Posted 2010-December-24, 17:49

View Postjillybean, on 2010-December-24, 17:12, said:

South thought E/W were wired, I think that is a reasonable assumption.

I wouldn't bid 4, but I know some people who would. Where's the damage ? NS aren't making anything and EW will get to 4 fast enough.
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Posted 2010-December-24, 18:25

View PostBbradley62, on 2010-December-24, 17:46, said:

That is a horrible assumption. You cannot be accused of cheating every time you get lucky. 4 is not all that outrageous.

PS: The original post appears to mis-state the opening bid.


No one accused W of cheating, South said to me, privately
"look at this bid :) ? communication??"
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Posted 2010-December-24, 18:30

I also think there was nothing to suggest illegal communication. I don't think 4S is a good bid on this hand but it is not really that far out.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2010-December-24, 18:34

View Posthan, on 2010-December-24, 18:30, said:

I also think there was nothing to suggest illegal communication. I don't think 4S is a good bid on this hand but it is not really that far out.


Hi Han, a few hours ago you said.. "1S and I fail to see a reasonable alternative."
I think it is unusual enough to ask questions, especially online where you can do so without directly accusing the opps of cheating.
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Posted 2010-December-24, 19:06

unnusual enough to follow the pair in question if just the tournament director wasn't so busy substituting players.

Maybe it is that I see so much cheating latelly. But the cheatings I see are normally with a lot of kibitzers from star players, maybe unkowns have less reasons to cheat on random tournaments.
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Posted 2010-December-24, 19:42

this is not in the same league as suspicious. there's one populous country over 50% of which's 'experts' i would expect to bid the same thing after seeing their previous efforts.
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Posted 2010-December-24, 20:22

Kathryn, it would not occur to me that EW were wired. As a matter of fact, 4 did occur to me at these colors, but it wouldn't be my choice. For one of my old partners, 4 is automatic.

Yet what is the issue here? If East makes the 'normal' overcall of 1, do they not have a simple route to game?

I think the proper response to NS who say something like "look at this bid :) communication??" is, "get a life :)"
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Posted 2010-December-24, 23:28

View PostFluffy, on 2010-December-24, 19:06, said:

unnusual enough to follow the pair in question if just the tournament director wasn't so busy substituting players.


I don't believe in the 'bigger is better' approach, my tournaments are small. That,combined with the new completion rate filter means I now have very few subs during tournaments. 0-2
I did watch this pair, checked their previous boards and found nothing unusual.
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Posted 2010-December-27, 05:06

View Postjillybean, on 2010-December-24, 18:34, said:

Hi Han, a few hours ago you said.. "1S and I fail to see a reasonable alternative."
I think it is unusual enough to ask questions, especially online where you can do so without directly accusing the opps of cheating.
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I know I did, but at the time I thought you were looking for bidding advice. As I said, I don't think that 4S is a good bid and I wouldn't recommend it. Having said that, much worse calls than 4S happen frequently in weak games and it wouldn't occur to me that there was any kind of cheating involved.
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