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You hold as West AKxx KQJx xx AKx
All vul, North deals,
North Partner South you
p p 3di DBL
p 4sp p ?
What do you bid and what does it mean.
What do you bid?
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Posted 2010-November-03, 14:33
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The lack of diamond raise worries me a little. With partner passing initially, I don't think pass here is clearly wrong.
If I do decide to invite, the choice is 5♠, asking for a diamond control.
If I do decide to invite, the choice is 5♠, asking for a diamond control.
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Posted 2010-November-04, 02:50
What would be 5cl then? to play?
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Posted 2010-November-04, 03:07
5♠, asking for diamond control.
I wouldn't pass, partner has to have 5 spades and an Ace, plus some more.
5♣ would be natural, showing a strong flexible hand with long clubs. It isn't a cue bid agreeing spades.
I wouldn't pass, partner has to have 5 spades and an Ace, plus some more.
lesh, on 2010-November-04, 02:50, said:
What would be 5cl then? to play?
5♣ would be natural, showing a strong flexible hand with long clubs. It isn't a cue bid agreeing spades.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2010-November-04, 11:20
I am closer to blasting 6♠ and hoping for diamond control than passing. Especially if partner is allowed to exercise some judgement over 5♠ and not bid slam with a minimum with a diamond control.
Otherwise 5♠ is fairly normal.
A new suit (5♣ or 5♥) is natural and stronger than an overcall or jump overcall.
Otherwise 5♠ is fairly normal.
A new suit (5♣ or 5♥) is natural and stronger than an overcall or jump overcall.
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Posted 2010-November-04, 11:54
If I'm not bidding 5♠ with a hand like this, what hand would I bid it on?
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Posted 2010-November-04, 12:57
classic 5♠ hand. The lack of a diamond raise by LHO is irrelevant...at this vulnerability, he won't be raising even with 3 card support when he has a lot of losers on the side, and we know he has a lot of losers on the side.
Main risk is that partner's control is Kxx and the defence is diamond A and a ruff. Partner can bring us back in with 5N with that hand, but we don't have the ability to count 12 winners in 6N..... QJxxx Ax Kxx xxx is a 4♠ bid, and we have no hope of 12 tricks in notrump. Give him the club Q and he has an opening hand.
But bridge is no game for pessimists, so 5♠ it is....and I bid only 6♠ over 6♦....no interest in grand, thx.
Main risk is that partner's control is Kxx and the defence is diamond A and a ruff. Partner can bring us back in with 5N with that hand, but we don't have the ability to count 12 winners in 6N..... QJxxx Ax Kxx xxx is a 4♠ bid, and we have no hope of 12 tricks in notrump. Give him the club Q and he has an opening hand.
But bridge is no game for pessimists, so 5♠ it is....and I bid only 6♠ over 6♦....no interest in grand, thx.
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Posted 2010-November-04, 13:53
mikeh, on 2010-November-04, 12:57, said:
...and I bid only 6♠ over 6♦....no interest in grand, thx.
Not even a little 'last train' love with 6♥?
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Posted 2010-November-04, 14:53
I think 5NT is the bid that shows first round control of diamonds.
IMO we are closer to pass than what people say, but it is still a 5♠ bid
IMO we are closer to pass than what people say, but it is still a 5♠ bid
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Posted 2010-November-04, 15:18
wtp 5S, really obvious
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Posted 2010-November-04, 16:31
lesh, on 2010-November-04, 02:50, said:
What would be 5cl then? to play?
5♣ shows a flexible hand (and forward-going), 3415 or 3316 shapes are ideal.
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Posted 2010-November-04, 16:38
Phil, on 2010-November-04, 11:54, said:
If I'm not bidding 5♠ with a hand like this, what hand would I bid it on?
Yeah, what Phil said
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Posted 2010-November-04, 17:01
I think it also sort of depends on opps level. If partner is marked with a couple of diamonds, what is the chance of slam facing an initially passed partner? Most of the time 5-level should be safe, but not always, for example facing: Qxxx, Ax, xx, QJxxx.
If I can count on partner having 5th spade, I will bid more aggressively. But there is no way for me to tell. I can certainly live with 5♠, in fact I might bid it at the table, but it is far from clear-cut.
If I can count on partner having 5th spade, I will bid more aggressively. But there is no way for me to tell. I can certainly live with 5♠, in fact I might bid it at the table, but it is far from clear-cut.
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Posted 2010-November-04, 17:09
mikeh, on 2010-November-04, 12:57, said:
classic 5♠ hand. The lack of a diamond raise by LHO is irrelevant...at this vulnerability, he won't be raising even with 3 card support when he has a lot of losers on the side, and we know he has a lot of losers on the side.
At unfavorable vulnerability I'd certainly be more cautious, but with equal vul I see nothing wrong with raising to 4♦ on 3-card support (or sometimes 4-card support when diamonds splits 4-6). At least it deprives opponents some room for cuebidding, and opponents are not really apt to double 4♦ with fit in major(s) (nor would a double necessarily be the winning action)...
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Posted 2010-November-04, 20:21
Fluffy, on 2010-November-04, 14:53, said:
I think 5NT is the bid that shows first round control of diamonds.
IMO we are closer to pass than what people say, but it is still a 5♠ bid
IMO we are closer to pass than what people say, but it is still a 5♠ bid
so we bid 6♦ with Kx and expect partner to bid 6N? I suspect you'll see the problem with that approach if you consider who's on opening lead
And I trust you aren't suggesting that over 6♦, you'll bid 6N after either 6♥ or 6♠?
I would give you long odds that the consensus amongst experts, told that partner bid 6♦ over 5♠ would be that this was first round control.
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Posted 2010-November-05, 06:27
5♠ asks for a ♦ control, so that's what I'll do. 5♣ would be natural, so that's out of the question.
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Posted 2010-November-05, 06:47
5D asking for a D control for me!
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Posted 2010-November-05, 08:05
the hog, on 2010-November-05, 06:47, said:
5D asking for a D control for me!
and 5♠ by you would show one? lol....you are in a universe of one on this answer
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Posted 2010-November-05, 11:07
seriously, is suspect this hand is in the bridge encyclopedia under 5S for this type of auction.
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Posted 2010-November-05, 12:01
As I respond to 3-level T/O Dbl, partner seeing game -- he did jump 4S --
always cues 1st control, 2nd if 4+controls (controls rich).
He did not. I quit.
Edit: Of course not any Q-bid. A DIAMOND Q-BID.
always cues 1st control, 2nd if 4+controls (controls rich).
He did not. I quit.
Edit: Of course not any Q-bid. A DIAMOND Q-BID.