[Free]

IMP scoring

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♥ lead to the T, ♥K, ♣ switch. 3♦x=. The contract is laydown, but it's more difficult if South continues with a small ♥ at trick 3 (needs an endplay).

Who do you blame most?

EDIT: Both North and South know that Dbl is takeout-oriented.

[gwnn]

I don't understand why North passed the double, his partner promised something close to 3613 so they have a 9 card fit

[mr1303]

North, for passing the take-out double with a perfectly reasonable 6 card suit and only Kxx in defence.

[mfa1010]

There is nothing to the play really, even if south plays three rounds of hearts.

It's unclear who to blame, because north obviously didn't think X of 3♦ was for takeout, and without such perception in this particular partnership, perhaps south should not have doubled.

[the hog]

Comedy of errors all round.
West's 3D bid is weird. Why not bid 2NT for the minors?
South's x of 3D is silly.
North's failure to take it out is sillier still.

[kgr]

mfa1010, on 2010-October-23, 19:13, said:

It's unclear who to blame, because north obviously didn't think X of 3♦ was for takeout, and without such perception in this particular partnership, perhaps south should not have doubled.

the hog, on 2010-October-23, 19:53, said:

Comedy of errors all round.
West's 3D bid is weird. Why not bid 2NT for the minors?
South's x of 3D is silly.
North's failure to take it out is sillier still.

Agree with this.
What agreement is there about the DBL:
- clearly take-out: then North should bid 3♠
- not 100% clear. then south should pass

[hatchett]

North nearly 100%. Obvious to bid 3♠, even
if he was unsure what the double was the ♦Kxx should have
given him a clue.

[gwnn]

It is often the case - a super strong hand makes some super strong action that is almost forcing. Then the other guy holding a balanced 3 count doesn't "man up" and gets yelled at (I'm not saying that anyone at your table did this). It is just wrong to wait for the weak hand to always "appreciate how strong his hand is". Just bid game and don't expect the weak balanced hand to help you, sometimes he won't help you even if he's supposed to, it's just psychological. Just bid game and avoid the big blame game (the same goes for slam auctions a bit too but not so dramatically - bidding a no play slam when a good game was available is often very bad but bidding a no play game when a good partscore on the 3 level was available is very rarely bad).

[Free]

gwnn, on 2010-October-24, 14:23, said:

It is often the case - a super strong hand makes some super strong action that is almost forcing. Then the other guy holding a balanced 3 count doesn't "man up" and gets yelled at (I'm not saying that anyone at your table did this). It is just wrong to wait for the weak hand to always "appreciate how strong his hand is". Just bid game and don't expect the weak balanced hand to help you, sometimes he won't help you even if he's supposed to, it's just psychological. Just bid game and avoid the big blame game (the same goes for slam auctions a bit too but not so dramatically - bidding a no play slam when a good game was available is often very bad but bidding a no play game when a good partscore on the 3 level was available is very rarely bad).

I think you're posting in the wrong thread, nobody has a super strong hand here.

[gwnn]

oh no and later I was looking at the other thread and asking "where did my reply go???"

[pooltuna]

mostly I blame North for passing a TOX with a 9 card major suit fit

[bucky]

Free, on 2010-October-23, 14:05, said:

EDIT: Both North and South know that Dbl is takeout-oriented.

Amazing pass from North.

Was 2♦ a transfer bid, or showing single unknown major suit? (it doesn't matter for this hand, I am just curious...)

[Free]

bucky, on 2010-October-26, 12:31, said:

Was 2♦ a transfer bid, or showing single unknown major suit? (it doesn't matter for this hand, I am just curious...)

No, it's like multi. Partner responds with a Pass/Correct. So if he's interested in playing in at least 3♥ he'll bid 2♠.

[Free]

I was South and got lots of critique on my takeout Dbl. It's definitely not perfect, but passing with the North hand seemed way more awful to me. His argument was that he didn't want to bid 3♠ on a crappy suit.

Without my Dbl we would lose 2 imps, the Dbl was an action that could've won us 5 imps (other table 3♥-1). Instead it lost us 11...

[mfa1010]

I think your double was a little too aggressive. You have made a fine 2♥ on a 10-count, but there are not really any extras. Give me ♠A instead of ♠Q, and then I think it's fine. This doesn't change that partner is responsible for the bad result when he didin't pull the double. He should be expecting 3-card support for spades, so with a 9 card fit it is not a big issue that his spades are mediocre.

[bucky]

Free, on 2010-October-28, 02:01, said:

I was South and got lots of critique on my takeout Dbl. It's definitely not perfect, but passing with the North hand seemed way more awful to me. His argument was that he didn't want to bid 3♠ on a crappy suit.

Without my Dbl we would lose 2 imps, the Dbl was an action that could've won us 5 imps (other table 3♥-1). Instead it lost us 11...

Once your partner passes the double, he's lost all the rights to criticize that bid.

[mikestar13]

X is aggressive but reasonable, North's failure to bid 3♠ gets about 90% of the blame.