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#1 User is offline   babalu1997 

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Posted 2010-October-14, 16:50

playing sa or 2/1 (with either 15-17 or 12-14 nt)


partner opens 1 club and you have 4 diamonds(or even 5), balanced hand and no 4 card major


your count is at least in the middle of the 1nt reponse

do you bid 1 diamond?

or do you bid 1nt?

i tend to bid 1nt because it gives more information (range and shape), and the guy almost liley bid his longer minor anyway but not sure if that makes sense

thanks

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Posted 2010-October-14, 17:04

1NT for me. Best to show range and type of hand.
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Posted 2010-October-14, 17:27

1♦ for me. You want to explore for a fit.

Playing a weak 1NT there is the additional issue of right-siding the no trumps so you want the strong no trump hand to be able to rebid no trumps as often as possible.
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Posted 2010-October-14, 17:28

babalu1997, on Oct 14 2010, 05:50 PM, said:

playing sa or 2/1 (with either 15-17 or 12-14 nt)


partner opens 1 club and you have 4 diamonds(or even 5), balanced hand and no 4 card major


your count is at least in the middle of the 1nt reponse

do you bid 1 diamond?

or do you bid 1nt?

i tend to bid 1nt because it gives more information (range and shape), and the guy almost liley bid his longer minor anyway but not sure if that makes sense

thanks

1NT VERY OFTEN.

as others said I get to show range and shape in one bid.

but used to not bidding a d suit in alot of auctions...:)
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Posted 2010-October-14, 17:37

I responded 1NT to partner's 1♣ opening the other day with Jx Qx T9xxx AJxx and it led to a good result (I got a heart lead from the king with partner holding AJxx) I also think my action was completely normal, just as I would consider it normal to bid 1♦ or make a club raise with xx xx QJT9x AJxx. Take it for what you will.
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Posted 2010-October-14, 18:36

Qx is a very strong indicator to declare notrump, so JDonn's distinction between the two 2=2=5=4 hands he cites makes a lot of sense. Jx not so much . . . .
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Posted 2010-October-15, 01:34

It depends a lot on the hand. Both can be fine.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 05:53

jdonn, on Oct 15 2010, 01:37 AM, said:

I responded 1NT to partner's 1♣ opening the other day with Jx Qx T9xxx AJxx and it led to a good result (I got a heart lead from the king with partner holding AJxx) I also think my action was completely normal, just as I would consider it normal to bid 1♦ or make a club raise with xx xx QJT9x AJxx. Take it for what you will.

This!
And: Axx Axx xxxx xxx : also 1D
=> I bid 1D if I prefer that partner plays 1NT and 1NT if I want to play it.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 13:40

Before bidding, ask yourself this question: if we end up playing in NT, which side would you like to be declaring? This tells you to look at your holding in the majors. If you have soft value in the majors, bid 1NT. If you have concentrated value in minors, bid 1♦.
 
 
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Posted 2010-October-15, 18:43

tgoodwinsr, on Oct 14 2010, 07:36 PM, said:

Qx is a very strong indicator to declare notrump, so JDonn's distinction between the two 2=2=5=4 hands he cites makes a lot of sense. Jx not so much . . . .

I think Jx is good for declaring notrump. They lead from AQ and partner has Kxx. They lead from KQ and partner has Axx. They lead the K and partner has Axx and they don't work out to continue with the queen. They lead from K and partner has AQx. They lead from Q and partner has AKx. Add an x or two to each example if you want.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 19:07

+1. Agree with Josh; J-x/Q-x are nice holdings
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