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#1 User is offline   dicklont 

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Posted 2010-October-14, 13:59

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Matchpoints, you are green they are red.
Left opponent is dealer and passes.
Partner opens your longest suit, promising 2 clubs.

(pass) - 1 - (1) - 3
(3) - pass - pass

You hoped to buy the contract at the three level, but no.
Now you must decide, pass or bid.
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Posted 2010-October-14, 14:14

Pass. You've told your story, and partner didn't care much for it. You have nothing left to tell.
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Posted 2010-October-14, 14:16

dicklont, on Oct 14 2010, 02:59 PM, said:

A6
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QT954

Matchpoints, you are green they are red.
Left opponent is dealer and passes.
Partner opens your longest suit, promising 2 clubs.

(pass) - 1 - (1) - 3
(3) - pass - pass

You hoped to buy the contract at the three level, but no.
Now you must decide, pass or bid.

neither pass nor bid DOUBLE!....it is MP right? ;)
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Posted 2010-October-14, 14:33

Not sure what 3 was supposed to show. If playing it as weak or limit it STILL looks like a 2 bid.

If double just shows max. for previous bidding with two way values (maximal double), fine. Otherwise, pass and lead trumps.
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Posted 2010-October-14, 14:36

Depends a bit on what 3C showed. If it's something like a mixed raise (which I have) I pass for I have told my story and I don't feel great need to protect here, 3D might be the normal contract.
However if 3C was pre-emptive/wide range (Could be something like xxx xxx x Kxxxxx) and I decided to pressure the opps, I double.
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Posted 2010-October-14, 16:32

If 3C was mixed then I would pass.
If 3C was strong then I would pass but that is bad.
If 3C was weak then I would go back in time and not bid that.
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Posted 2010-October-14, 17:01

Pass. For me, clear.

You have the worse holding for partner in diamonds, 3 dead. You may take an easy +100 into a -100 with any other bid excluding double (which if maximals were on the card I'd have a think).
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Posted 2010-October-14, 17:04

If 3 here was weak (which I think is standard) then I like double. Where both sides have shown a fit, double should not be pure penalty -- it just says I have very good defense for my previous call and announces ownership of the hand. I expect partner to usually pass, although if he has five-card clubs or something he can take another call.

If 3 was a limit raise, then pass is a standout. We have lousy defense for a limit raise and partner could've doubled or competed if that was right.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 01:36

Easy pass. You raised, they called, end of story.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 03:35

Automatic pass. Partner has diamond shortage and yet chose not to bid. The chances are we're off two diamonds from the start, so I don't want to declare. We're unlikely to get more than 1 club trick, and I can't see 4 more from the majors unless partner has a perfect hand and oppo are known idiots.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 04:15

I love it when the real problem is to guess what system we are playing
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Posted 2010-October-15, 06:21

Partner opened the bidding, I have great defense, I am delighted to play this doubled that is what I would do at pairs. My 5 card suit (possibly 6 I would think) and offense interest was shown, double rates to be the best score. If partner holds some 4-4-1-4 they can not really do much in front weak jump raise and if I was supposed to be as strong as my hand is I would still double. Give partner as little as Kxxx Axxx x Axxx and they can not make a bad decision, either bid or defend your choice. Frankly I hope that he can pass I think the opps are in over their heads. Should dear partner have chosen an imaginary opening bid it is not my fault and they can bid 4C with slow and less appealing defensive hand like Qxxx Qxx x AKxxx where they could also not act over 3D so now they bid 4C.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 06:56

Agree with Fluffy.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 11:33

dicklont, on Oct 14 2010, 09:59 PM, said:

A6
K64
976
QT954

Matchpoints, you are green they are red.
Left opponent is dealer and passes.
Partner opens your longest suit, promising 2 clubs.

(pass) - 1 - (1) - 3
(3) - pass - pass

You hoped to buy the contract at the three level, but no.
Now you must decide, pass or bid.

Actually the bidding went a bit (BIT) differently, opener took a noticeable pause before passing.

(pass) - 1 - (1) - 3
(3) - .....pass - (pass) - 4

It seems to me, also based upon the replies in this thread, that 4 or double are the right calls, but passing is a reasonable alternative.

3 C of course, would have been a very good result.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 12:19

dicklont, on Oct 15 2010, 12:33 PM, said:

dicklont, on Oct 14 2010, 09:59 PM, said:

A6
K64
976
QT954

Matchpoints, you are green they are red.
Left opponent is dealer and passes.
Partner opens your longest suit, promising 2 clubs.

(pass) - 1 - (1) - 3
(3) - pass - pass

You hoped to buy the contract at the three level, but no.
Now you must decide, pass or bid.

Actually the bidding went a bit (BIT) differently, opener took a noticeable pause before passing.

(pass) - 1 - (1) - 3
(3) - .....pass - (pass) - 4

It seems to me, also based upon the replies in this thread, that 4 or double are the right calls, but passing is a reasonable alternative.

3 C of course, would have been a very good result.

Where did you get the idea that 4 is one of the options discussed by the posters? I did not see a call of 4 suggested by any poster. And for good reason. I don't think that any reasonable player would bid 4 on these cards on the auction you posted. Pass and Double are the only possible choices.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 13:37

pooltuna, on Oct 15 2010, 09:16 AM, said:

dicklont, on Oct 14 2010, 02:59 PM, said:

A6
K64
976
QT954

Matchpoints, you are green they are red.
Left opponent is dealer and passes.
Partner opens your longest suit, promising 2 clubs.

(pass) - 1 - (1) - 3
(3) - pass - pass

You hoped to buy the contract at the three level, but no.
Now you must decide, pass or bid.

neither pass nor bid DOUBLE!....it is MP right? ;)

You have a one tracked mind.

I suspect if double is right without any semblance of a trump trick then you play against very weak opponents.
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Posted 2010-October-15, 15:21

I think that 4 being mentioned as an option is just because that's where your double would end up a fair number of times.

That said, if opener hitched it's a clear pass.
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