[whereagles]

straube, on Oct 3 2010, 11:52 PM, said:

third seat, V vs NV, playing limited openings and 1C=16+

What's your bid with KJ9765 T3 K5 864?

P? 1S? 2S?

Second question...what does P P 1S P 1N P 2S show?  A hand too weak to open 2S or a hand to strong to open 2S?  Can partner raise?

1. Open 2♠ wtp?

2. I'd say a normal opening with bad, long suit. I.e. jack 6th or thereabouts.

[kayin801]

This is something I'd switch up based on my opponents between 1♠ (in a good game) and 2♠ (in a club game), never ever ever ever ever ever pass please.

[wank]

i think bidding is way too dangerous here, much though i approve of opening light in 3rd in general.

if lho has a decent balanced hand with a few spades, they can catch you quite easily.

1s - p - 1nt - x (take-out)

or

1s - p - 1nt - p - p - x (penalties with a spade holding)

are perfectly simple auctions if LHO is too weak for a direct 1NT.

if LHO is strong enough for a direct 1NT overcall you might have the joy of partner doubling 1NT and RHO flying the blue flag.

either way, i wouldn't want to be digging for an escape route at the 2 level at red. you can easily be going for 5 or 8 when the opps don't have the strength to bid game on their own.

[mikegill]

I would not open 1♠ playing standard. 1♠ - p 1NT is way too likely and will make me want to vomit. I would happily open 1♠ playing precision, since partner will know not to bid 1NT on cheese opposite a 3rd seat opener. This is right on the border for me for a 2♠ opening in 3rd. I think I would bid at MPs and pass at IMPs.

IMPs I hate risking a huge minus (even though it's unlikely), but also here even if they don't double me they might get 200 or 300 when they didn't have anything making. Also some of my MP wins are now small wins or not wins at all. At MPs I might go
-200 but it's by no means a certainty and there are a lot of ways to win the board by opening (go -100 against their 120/110 if we pass, they misjudge and bid over us, we're making 2/3 because partner has the right max and it would have passed out, partner makes a better lead, our bid keeps them from getting to the right game/slam...etc).

[MFA]

2♠. Fine for a third seat preempt.

[kgr]

gwnn, on Oct 5 2010, 02:19 PM, said:

Clear 1S, my partners know about how many hcp they can expect from my 3rd openers. next please

Why 1S and not 2S?:
- Is 2S too dangerous vuln?
- Or is it too good for a 3th seat 2S?

[hanp]

How can it be too good, it's not like we're going to miss game, partner is a passed hand.

If I dared 2S I would do that but I think we go for a number too often compared with how much damage we do.