[shyams]

From last night's club session.

Scoring: MP

West North East South
(3♣) Dbl (5♣) Dbl
Pass 5♠ Pass ???

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1. Agree with South's 1st X?
2. What now?

Thank you.

[hanp]

Yes I agree with the first double.

I would pass 5S. We may make slam but with this aceless hand and Q10 of clubs I think it is too much of a gamble. It looks like we have survived this auction so I'm content to pass what is likely to be a reasonable contract.

[fromageGB]

1. No, not enough values or shape.

2. Bid 4♠ and hope LHO passes without thinking.

[gwnn]

nice auction, pass now

[hanp]

I think the shape is fine for the initial double. Although this isn't a penalty double, I think partner will pass 80-90% of the time. Partner doubled at the 3-level, I think we'll be beating this quite often, sometimes 2 or 3 tricks. When partner bids, it's more often right than wrong I think.

Had partner bid 5H, I would have bid 5S.

[fromageGB]

Let me re-address this.
If the first South double is penalties, then yes, it's a fine double. Partner rescues, so pass now.
If the first South double was asking North to bid, then I don't like it, and wouldn't. But having asked partner to bid, that 5♠ is not showing extras. Pass.

[karlson]

So given that we could have had the same hand with the majors reversed for the double (could we?) what kind of hand bids 5♠?

[whereagles]

seems like an easy pass, given the lack of aces. where's the catch?

[hanp]

karlson, on Sep 18 2010, 06:23 AM, said:

So given that we could have had the same hand with the majors reversed for the double (could we?) what kind of hand bids 5♠?

The auction is certainly consistent with partner having 5-4-4-0 shape. And he doesn't need the world to double 3C with that shape.

[655321]

Agree with double then pass.

Don't see any alternative to the first double. If we pass, partner won't play us for this much and will usually pass out 5♣ even when we can make a contract, or when they are going 2 or 3 down. I certainly won't bid 5/5 with this balanced 10 count either, so nothing is left except double.

[Fluffy]

double and pass seems obvious.

[karlson]

hanp, on Sep 18 2010, 03:33 AM, said:

karlson, on Sep 18 2010, 06:23 AM, said:

So given that we could have had the same hand with the majors reversed for the double (could we?) what kind of hand bids 5♠?

The auction is certainly consistent with partner having 5-4-4-0 shape. And he doesn't need the world to double 3C with that shape.

So in the hypothetical I mentioned, we are either forced to slam or forced to play the 5-2?

I think 5♠ should be an almost impossible bid in this situation, and if it exists, should show basically a single-suiter.

[hanp]

Sometimes you get into a bad spot when they preempt to 5C. That doesn't mean you have to bid a 4-card suit with 5-4-4-0 distribution out of fear partner has a doubleton.

[fromageGB]

I think karlson has a good point. When I make a penalty double of 5♣ partner (I initially assumed) got cold feet and rescued. But in that case he would not have made a takeout double in the first instance, he would have bid 3♠ or 4♠ initially.

I don't think his hand is consistent with 5440. With a good hand of that shape he would pass the double. After all, I may not have any spades.

No, I reckon partner has a very strong 2 opener in spades, maybe a GF. On realising this (thanks, karlson) I think 6♠ is OK. Aceless, yes, but partner has them.

How do people normally handle GF/nearGF hands after a preempt ?

[Flameous]

By bidding 4S typically. I'm not sure what kind of hand really can bid 5S now, but I'd assume partner expected us to have a real responsive double and chose the better major. Lucky us. I guess that 5440 also works.

[whereagles]

fromageGB, on Sep 19 2010, 06:51 PM, said:

I think karlson has a good point. When I make a penalty double of 5♣ partner (I initially assumed) got cold feet and rescued.

cold feet at the 5 level? I don't think so. If something, pard has some GOSH.

[Free]

Dbl was ok. Now pass, we reached a good spot.

[aguahombre]

hanp, on Sep 18 2010, 05:33 AM, said:

karlson, on Sep 18 2010, 06:23 AM, said:

So given that we could have had the same hand with the majors reversed for the double (could we?) what kind of hand bids 5♠?

The auction is certainly consistent with partner having 5-4-4-0 shape. And he doesn't need the world to double 3C with that shape.

Gwnn?? Can you find a thread about a year ago where Josh and a bunch of others insisted 5-4 in the majors had to bid hearts in a similar situation? I remember the discussion, but don't remember whether it was the same scenario.

[hanp]

Why don't you do the search yourself? The search function is not that mysterious.

[pooltuna]

hanp, on Sep 21 2010, 12:07 PM, said:

Why don't you do the search yourself? The search function is not that mysterious.

and all this time I thought you were the BBF search utility