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#1 User is offline   lmilne 

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Posted 2010-August-18, 21:34

Scoring: IMP


(3♦)-3♥-(P)-?
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Posted 2010-August-18, 21:58

If 4♦ is now a slam try in ♥ that's what I bid.
If no such agreement then only 4♥ is left.
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Posted 2010-August-18, 21:59

4♦ is indeed a good heart raise.
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Posted 2010-August-18, 22:27

I would bid 4♥ - you need an awful lot from partner for slam to make.
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Posted 2010-August-18, 22:42

4♦, it is true that partner needs a lot for slam to make, but we should tell him that we have more than a courtesy raise just in case.
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Posted 2010-August-19, 02:18

4H, hoping we don't lose too many hearts. Partner is very unlikely to hold everything we need for slam and is possibly not even holding a singleton diamond.
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Posted 2010-August-19, 02:50

4♦ seems pretty obvious to me.
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Posted 2010-August-19, 03:19

I can't see any harm in 4♦, if it shows a good raise - if partner moves past 4♥ without any top card in the black suits, everything else about his hand will be perfect.

I also don't think it's very likely to gain. Say he has Qxx AKQJxxx x xx, where slam is excellent. Will he do more than bid 4♥?
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Posted 2010-August-19, 03:56

gnasher, on Aug 19 2010, 09:19 AM, said:

I can't see any harm in 4♦.

maybe pard has only 5 hearts???

Anyway, 3♠ for me, then if pard bids

- 3NT: pass or eventually raise to 4NT if feeling luck
- 4♥: pass or raise to 5♥ if you play it shows wide open diamonds
- spade raise bid: pass/sign off in 4♠

Doesn't stop you from playing in a shaky fit if pard has 3 spades, but seems more flexible than commiting to 4♥.

gnasher, on Aug 19 2010, 09:19 AM, said:

Say he has Qxx AKQJxxx x xx, where slam is excellent. Will he do more than bid 4♥?

Perhaps overcall 4♥ instead of that wimpy 3♥? :D Still, even having bid 3♥ I think that's worth a final push in 5♦.
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Posted 2010-August-19, 05:44

Agree with gwnn.
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Posted 2010-August-19, 06:06

Yep, 4♦ I'll leave the decision up to my partner.
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Posted 2010-August-19, 07:08

:)
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Posted 2010-August-19, 07:22

Well do you agree with me?
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Posted 2010-August-19, 07:24

I bid 4♥ and hope partner makes it
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Posted 2010-August-19, 14:07

I'd bid 4♦ but wasn't the hand slightly stronger? I think clubs were AKJx.
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Posted 2010-August-19, 15:30

Agree with gwnn and Cascade, 4D.
and the result can be plotted on a graph.
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Posted 2010-August-21, 16:59

Cascade, on Aug 19 2010, 01:22 PM, said:

Well do you agree with me?

No, I think you agree with gnasher actually, he converted me to the dark side some time ago.
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Posted 2010-August-21, 17:15

call me a pervert but i want to try 3s, not because i want to play in spades but because i want to see partner pattern out.

we could be going off in 4H with 6C cold

if partner raises i won't be cacking myself - we'll be getting tapped in the right hand at least.
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Posted 2010-August-21, 18:12

WTP 4D

For those who bid 3S i really hope your partner will raise you a doubleton.
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Posted 2010-August-21, 18:45

why 3♠ and not 4♣? looks less dangerous to me, anyway this is a clear 4♦.
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